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They can't, however, force the testimony to be useful. I don't fully understand why she didn't testify here. The events were so long ago and so stressful. If

by nullc 8y ago

They can't, however, force the testimony to be useful. I don't fully understand why she didn't testify here. The events were so long ago and so stressful. If it were me I wouldn't be able to remember much with any confidence. But I'm glad she has been released now and I hope it did some good.

pacificmint 8y ago
> But I'm glad she has been released now and I hope it did some good. Well, she’s only been released because the term of the grand jury expired. She’ll be called to testify again, and if she refuses to testify again, she will most likely be locked up again. So this is more a temporary development, rather than a resolution of the issue.
StanislavPetrov 8y ago
I think its pretty clear that she refused to testify out of principle. None of the war criminals exposed by Manning's leaks have been charged or tried for their crimes. The government's refusal to charge the war crimes, which are central to the entire case, completely undermine any pretense of "justice". As usual, the government is using its infinite power to punish those who exposed wrongdoing, while completely ignoring the actually wrongdoing that was exposed. I find it quite admirable that Manning refuses to be used as a tool to further this charade of injustice, at great personal expense. Being held in "contempt of court" is no vice when the court, and the prosecutors, have done everything possible to earn that contempt. For those unfamiliar with the still unprosecuted war crimes exposed by Manning (and published by Assange): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0
- acqq 8y ago
  Even much more serious information is this one: https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/09/10/428634/Syria-Assange-US-Assad-Wayne-Madsen-911 https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/09/10/428634/Syria-Assan... "US had planned to topple the Syrian government long before 2011, the year that the brutal conflict broke out in the country." "In his new book, Assange points to a cable pertaining to US Ambassador William Roebuck, who served as the Political Counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Damascus between 2004-2007, about plans for overthrowing the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad at the time." The book based on the Wiklieaks files (Assange wrote an introduction): https://www.amazon.com/WikiLeaks-Files-World-According-Empire/dp/1784786217 https://www.amazon.com/WikiLeaks-Files-World-According-Empir...
  - megous 8y ago
    Might have saved millions of people from suffering. BTW, presstv is Iranian regime's news source, ally of Assad's regime, and the party (Iran) murdering civilians in Syria the last few years. So I wouldn't expect anything objective from them.
    - acqq 8y ago
      Other media avoided to cover the book or what’s in the wikileaks material. I’ve tried to find and failed. The book was not published by the writers of the article. They just wrote that the book exists and what is revealed. I would also like a link to NYT or WaPo but they avoided to cover the book (and even more to analyse the materials leaked). At least you can still buy the book. The material itself is still reachable on the wikileaks site.
      - megous 8y ago
        Interesting. You're right NYT only mentioned the book in passing in one article. And I can't really find many references in any media I recognize, either.
- tssva 8y ago
  What has the court done? The court doesn't decide who is or isn't prosecuted and brought in front of them for trial.
  - StanislavPetrov 8y ago
    The court ordered that Manning be jailed, which is entirely under its purview. The court could have dressed down the government prosecutors for being the jackboot thugs that they are and admonished them for not prosecuting the war criminals.

by nullc 8y ago

pacificmint 8y ago

> But I'm glad she has been released now and I hope it did some good. Well, she’s only been released because the term of the grand jury expired. She’ll be called to testify again, and if she refuses to testify again, she will most likely be locked up again. So this is more a temporary development, rather than a resolution of the issue.

StanislavPetrov 8y ago

I think its pretty clear that she refused to testify out of principle. None of the war criminals exposed by Manning's leaks have been charged or tried for their crimes. The government's refusal to charge the war crimes, which are central to the entire case, completely undermine any pretense of "justice". As usual, the government is using its infinite power to punish those who exposed wrongdoing, while completely ignoring the actually wrongdoing that was exposed. I find it quite admirable that Manning refuses to be used as a tool to further this charade of injustice, at great personal expense. Being held in "contempt of court" is no vice when the court, and the prosecutors, have done everything possible to earn that contempt. For those unfamiliar with the still unprosecuted war crimes exposed by Manning (and published by Assange): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

acqq 8y ago
Even much more serious information is this one: https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/09/10/428634/Syria-Assange-US-Assad-Wayne-Madsen-911 https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/09/10/428634/Syria-Assan... "US had planned to topple the Syrian government long before 2011, the year that the brutal conflict broke out in the country." "In his new book, Assange points to a cable pertaining to US Ambassador William Roebuck, who served as the Political Counselor at the U.S. Embassy in Damascus between 2004-2007, about plans for overthrowing the government of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad at the time." The book based on the Wiklieaks files (Assange wrote an introduction): https://www.amazon.com/WikiLeaks-Files-World-According-Empire/dp/1784786217 https://www.amazon.com/WikiLeaks-Files-World-According-Empir...
- megous 8y ago
  Might have saved millions of people from suffering. BTW, presstv is Iranian regime's news source, ally of Assad's regime, and the party (Iran) murdering civilians in Syria the last few years. So I wouldn't expect anything objective from them.
  - acqq 8y ago
    Other media avoided to cover the book or what’s in the wikileaks material. I’ve tried to find and failed. The book was not published by the writers of the article. They just wrote that the book exists and what is revealed. I would also like a link to NYT or WaPo but they avoided to cover the book (and even more to analyse the materials leaked). At least you can still buy the book. The material itself is still reachable on the wikileaks site.
    - megous 8y ago
      Interesting. You're right NYT only mentioned the book in passing in one article. And I can't really find many references in any media I recognize, either.
tssva 8y ago
What has the court done? The court doesn't decide who is or isn't prosecuted and brought in front of them for trial.
- StanislavPetrov 8y ago
  The court ordered that Manning be jailed, which is entirely under its purview. The court could have dressed down the government prosecutors for being the jackboot thugs that they are and admonished them for not prosecuting the war criminals.