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Xamarin isn't either. It really is whatever open source cross-platform UI leads the pack. I am really impressed by Qt Apps, but I also am not happy with their l

Xamarin isn't either. It really is whatever open source cross-platform UI leads the pack. I am really impressed by Qt Apps, but I also am not happy with their licensing. I would like to see something new with Vulkan desktop integration. I think Microsoft really needs to reconsider what is important, and I believe them working on open source will have to be a better commitment. They should pay some of their Kubernetes engineers and Linux engineers work on a Linux Kernel OS. There are just certain nuances about their OS that they can't seem to grasp, especially when it comes to Mac at least application packaging better Windows. Choco for GUI apps is awful, and the only solution will be application containers, and Linux is likely going to outpace them... and I see more and more great apps for Linux. I don't think it will be too much longer.

nick_ 7y ago
What issues you've encountered with installing GUI apps with chocolatey?
- mises 7y ago
  I'm rather curious about this as well. Maybe he is saying that it is not as user-friendly because it is command-line-based? I have had no issues with it, and it seems it would be simple to make a graphical front-end.
  - techntoke 7y ago
    Not at all. I prefer CLI based tools for system administrators. They are easy and quick to automate. It is just a pretty terrible package manager compared to Homebrew and far worse than Arch.
- techntoke 7y ago
  It is incredibly slow, buggy, most packages aren't up-to-date and the packaging is far more complex overall, lots of bad or missing documentation about silent installs. The package manager itself doesn't really offer a lot. I've seen more spyware in their apps. Windows app installs by default leave configuration files all over your system and registry entries. It is near impossible to cleanly manage an install. There are a lot of tricks for viruses on Windows. Linux is open source and much easier to improve collectively. There is a lot more thought put into these objectives from a system administrator perspective, hence why they use it all over their cloud.
crispinb 7y ago
> I see more and more great apps for Linux Bit of an aside here, but what for example? I'm using Linux these days as the least-worst option, but I wouldn't have claimed app quality as one of its advantages. It has the best terminals (matched perhaps by iTerm on mac), and most of the important cross-platform apps are perfectly fine (VS Code, IntelliJ, Firefox, Chrome etc). Could you list some of the linux-specific apps you consider great?
- techntoke 7y ago
  Telegram works great, Slack works fine as does Discord. LibreOffice is descent, there are a few Money Manager apps. I'm not a huge fan of GTK or KDE-based apps, but ones developed in React Native and Qt with static binaries, then I really enjoy the quality and having the latest version integrated into my package manager. It is much cleaner to install and remove overall. Containers would help isolate this even more. I really also enjoy having most of my dotfiles in a single location to manage application settings that can be shared for other installs.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    You're adding to my list of cross-platform apps. I agree that most of the important ones are fine under Linux, but I still haven't seen many (any?) great linux-specific ones. There are obviously reasons to use Linux (I do), I just don't think unique (end-user, GUI) app availability is amongst them.
    - techntoke 7y ago
      I guess it depends on what distro you're using.
      - crispinb 7y ago
        Perhaps I misunderstood you. If you meant that lack of software isn't the Linux deal-breaker it used to be, for many types of use I'd agree. It has all the main generic apps I need except for a proper Google drive client. What it doesn't seem to have is any linux-specific apps compelling enough to drive one to use it. This used to be one of OS X's big strengths, diminishing in recent years I think.

nick_ 7y ago

What issues you've encountered with installing GUI apps with chocolatey?

mises 7y ago
I'm rather curious about this as well. Maybe he is saying that it is not as user-friendly because it is command-line-based? I have had no issues with it, and it seems it would be simple to make a graphical front-end.
- techntoke 7y ago
  Not at all. I prefer CLI based tools for system administrators. They are easy and quick to automate. It is just a pretty terrible package manager compared to Homebrew and far worse than Arch.
techntoke 7y ago
It is incredibly slow, buggy, most packages aren't up-to-date and the packaging is far more complex overall, lots of bad or missing documentation about silent installs. The package manager itself doesn't really offer a lot. I've seen more spyware in their apps. Windows app installs by default leave configuration files all over your system and registry entries. It is near impossible to cleanly manage an install. There are a lot of tricks for viruses on Windows. Linux is open source and much easier to improve collectively. There is a lot more thought put into these objectives from a system administrator perspective, hence why they use it all over their cloud.

crispinb 7y ago

> I see more and more great apps for Linux Bit of an aside here, but what for example? I'm using Linux these days as the least-worst option, but I wouldn't have claimed app quality as one of its advantages. It has the best terminals (matched perhaps by iTerm on mac), and most of the important cross-platform apps are perfectly fine (VS Code, IntelliJ, Firefox, Chrome etc). Could you list some of the linux-specific apps you consider great?

techntoke 7y ago
Telegram works great, Slack works fine as does Discord. LibreOffice is descent, there are a few Money Manager apps. I'm not a huge fan of GTK or KDE-based apps, but ones developed in React Native and Qt with static binaries, then I really enjoy the quality and having the latest version integrated into my package manager. It is much cleaner to install and remove overall. Containers would help isolate this even more. I really also enjoy having most of my dotfiles in a single location to manage application settings that can be shared for other installs.
- crispinb 7y ago
  You're adding to my list of cross-platform apps. I agree that most of the important ones are fine under Linux, but I still haven't seen many (any?) great linux-specific ones. There are obviously reasons to use Linux (I do), I just don't think unique (end-user, GUI) app availability is amongst them.
  - techntoke 7y ago
    I guess it depends on what distro you're using.
    - crispinb 7y ago
      Perhaps I misunderstood you. If you meant that lack of software isn't the Linux deal-breaker it used to be, for many types of use I'd agree. It has all the main generic apps I need except for a proper Google drive client. What it doesn't seem to have is any linux-specific apps compelling enough to drive one to use it. This used to be one of OS X's big strengths, diminishing in recent years I think.