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I've got a lot of experience with enterprise java and go. Java is here to stay, but a large chunk of what people use Java for in enterprises would be much bett

I've got a lot of experience with enterprise java and go. Java is here to stay, but a large chunk of what people use Java for in enterprises would be much better done with Go. I've seen way too many applications done in Java that required high priced talent to achieve a feature set that was not proportional to the cost. The high cost makes this skill set a target. Go is designed to scale with people, in that it discourages clever approaches (in coding, in deploying, and in tooling). The result is that you generally end up with a code base that everyone on the team can deal with and which costs less. Additionally, our experience is that you need less hardware to run Go applications than Java ones. Another cost savings.

dkarl 8y ago
Wait, Java is now a language that encourages cleverness and requires high-priced talent? My head is spinning trying to imagine what your situation would be to have that perspective on Java.
- owaislone 8y ago
  I suppose he/she meant Go discourages it relatively compared to Java, not that Java encourages it.
michannne 8y ago
Why would they actively disdain developers in creating novel tools that push the limit of their language in creative ways? Sure, there _is_ going to be a group of developers that are ignorant, arrogant and curious at the same time, but it is not the job of the programming language to reel-in those engineers versus the ones who create new frameworks and shape the development process. Some tooling is not meant to be touched upon by engineers who aren't as experienced as the more senior developers who create those tools, and that's fine, eventually they will learn not only the limitations of the language but also how and when to push past those limitations by digging deeper into the langauge via compiler, reflection, unsafe code or more. Many languages give engineers a way to write code without thinking of the more complex shenanigans going on behind the scenes, while at the same time exposing just enough of the core of the language to allow breakers to break past it's constraints, i.e. Javascript or C#. Not every language desires to be like C++ or C or Lisp.

dkarl 8y ago

Wait, Java is now a language that encourages cleverness and requires high-priced talent? My head is spinning trying to imagine what your situation would be to have that perspective on Java.

owaislone 8y ago
I suppose he/she meant Go discourages it relatively compared to Java, not that Java encourages it.

michannne 8y ago

Why would they actively disdain developers in creating novel tools that push the limit of their language in creative ways? Sure, there _is_ going to be a group of developers that are ignorant, arrogant and curious at the same time, but it is not the job of the programming language to reel-in those engineers versus the ones who create new frameworks and shape the development process. Some tooling is not meant to be touched upon by engineers who aren't as experienced as the more senior developers who create those tools, and that's fine, eventually they will learn not only the limitations of the language but also how and when to push past those limitations by digging deeper into the langauge via compiler, reflection, unsafe code or more. Many languages give engineers a way to write code without thinking of the more complex shenanigans going on behind the scenes, while at the same time exposing just enough of the core of the language to allow breakers to break past it's constraints, i.e. Javascript or C#. Not every language desires to be like C++ or C or Lisp.