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It's implemented nearly everywhere (firefox, ffmpeg, edge, chrome, opera, vlc,...) and the spec is 100% final. Problem is that (and now the everywhere gets weak

It's implemented nearly everywhere (firefox, ffmpeg, edge, chrome, opera, vlc,...) and the spec is 100% final. Problem is that (and now the everywhere gets weak) android didn't implement it yet (afaik) and some packaged versions of the software haven't got it enabled or are just out of date. What we can get from the article thought is: why isn't gif replaced by webm/vp9 yet? Can be encoded in no time and is actually supported everywhere.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
caniuse.com says av1 isn't supported in (all versions of) Safari, which also means it won't work on any iOS device.
zsiec 7y ago
> why isn't gif replaced by webm/vp9 yet? Apple has significant market penetration, and you can't get VP9 to easily work in safari/iOS/tvOS
- paavoova 7y ago
  But why is this tolerated, for lack of a better word? There's no barrier to adding support, a decoder ships with ffmpeg. Youtube has been serving webm/vp9 video for years, so does that mean VP9 Youtube is unavailable on Apple platforms?
  - msbarnett 7y ago
    > Youtube has been serving webm/vp9 video for years, so does that mean VP9 Youtube is unavailable on Apple platforms? Youtube serves h.264 to Apple platforms.
    - paavoova 7y ago
      Well not if users force VP9 using something like youtube-dl and pipe to a compatible player. But I looked it up and the reason Apple refuses to adopt VP9 is not so arbitrary but rather because they're part of MPEG LA, with HEVC being the competitor to VP9. It's unfortunate that there's so much fragmentation with standards simply because of corporate interests.
      - iainmerrick 7y ago
        It is unfortunate but it’s been happening forever. And yet, things continue to work and continue to progress for the most part, so format wars aren’t necessarily as big a problem as we like to think.
    - tpush 7y ago
      ... but uses VP9 exclusively for 4k content, which is the reason why Safari doesn't support 4k Youtube videos.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

caniuse.com says av1 isn't supported in (all versions of) Safari, which also means it won't work on any iOS device.

zsiec 7y ago

> why isn't gif replaced by webm/vp9 yet? Apple has significant market penetration, and you can't get VP9 to easily work in safari/iOS/tvOS

paavoova 7y ago
But why is this tolerated, for lack of a better word? There's no barrier to adding support, a decoder ships with ffmpeg. Youtube has been serving webm/vp9 video for years, so does that mean VP9 Youtube is unavailable on Apple platforms?
- msbarnett 7y ago
  > Youtube has been serving webm/vp9 video for years, so does that mean VP9 Youtube is unavailable on Apple platforms? Youtube serves h.264 to Apple platforms.
  - paavoova 7y ago
    Well not if users force VP9 using something like youtube-dl and pipe to a compatible player. But I looked it up and the reason Apple refuses to adopt VP9 is not so arbitrary but rather because they're part of MPEG LA, with HEVC being the competitor to VP9. It's unfortunate that there's so much fragmentation with standards simply because of corporate interests.
    - iainmerrick 7y ago
      It is unfortunate but it’s been happening forever. And yet, things continue to work and continue to progress for the most part, so format wars aren’t necessarily as big a problem as we like to think.
  - tpush 7y ago
    ... but uses VP9 exclusively for 4k content, which is the reason why Safari doesn't support 4k Youtube videos.