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Audi and Jaguar are also luxury cars, and X isn't.

by Fins 7y ago

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sabareesh 7y ago
Ok how do you define luxury car.
- Fins 7y ago
  Quality, amenities, service experience, stuff like that. Not making things inherently more dangerous is nice, too.
  - sabareesh 7y ago
    Model 3 is safest production car to the date, as most of the car components are integrated problems can be fixed remotely but still when you have to get to Service Center Tesla is notably improving it. Quality of Tesla drive train, battery, efficiency, supercharger network, software ecosystem, Autopilot (which is best driver assist system available now) .
    - Fins 7y ago
      This would have been funny, if you weren't actually being serious. That way it's just sad.
      - zaroth 7y ago
        Please don’t do this here.
        Fins 7y ago
        Sorry, but what should one do with posts that are just blatantly false?
        zaroth 7y ago
        Citations, not personal attacks. For example, as to the claim it is the safest production car ever made, you could cite NHTSA finding the Tesla Model 3 had the best combined VSS (Vehicle Safety Score) ever tested. [1] Regarding remote maintenance, the latest firmware does add the capability to notify the operator of an issue and pre-orders parts to your home service center. [2] I can't speak to drive train specifically, although Tesla has stated they design and build to a 1,000,000 mile standard. Longevity and low maintenance cost is a huge factor for Tesla buyers. A Model S driven for Tesloop logged over 400,000 miles and ended up with just a $0.05/mile maintenance cost. [3] Battery reliability is much higher than everyone expected, and owner surveys of older Model S batteries show 90%+ capacity after 160,000 miles. [4] Efficiency is easy to demonstrate that Tesla is way ahead of the pack. In my Tesla Model 3 AWD with 19" rims I get ~220Wh/mile, and the RWD version with 18" rims is more efficient than that. The only more efficient EV I know of is the Ionic, which has a 28kWh battery and 3,100 lbs curb weight allows it to beat the Tesla Model 3 at 50kWh battery and 3,552 lbs by 4% in terms of mpge, but has 100 miles less range. The Tesla Supercharger network is one of a kind. The V3 Supercharger update brings the fastest production charging in the world. The software ecosystem, presumably meaning OTA updates, have brought innumerable software features, and even hardware performance upgrades (braking and acceleration) in the last several months. My son also really appreciates the new Atari games that keep coming out. You can debate whether you think AutoPilot is the best driver assistance package available, but it is far from "blatantly false". AutoPilot takes me to work and back every day with very little manual input. It makes a heavy traffic commute totally stress free. I do look out the window while I have it engaged though, not watching a movie on my phone or tablet. [1] - https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=NHTSA-2017-0037-0041&attachmentNumber=1&contentType=excel12book https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=NHTSA... [2] - https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-diagnose-pre-order-parts-service/ https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-diagnose-pre-order-part... [3] - https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-teslas https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-... [4] - https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90-capacity-after-160000-miles-may-last-for-500000-miles/ https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90...
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rasz 7y ago
nothing says luxury like Jaguars laggy infotainment ala $30 android tablet
- Fins 7y ago
  Jaguar's old supplier of electric parts was known as "the prince of darkness"... I'll take laggy infotainment over a system where you have to use touchscreen to adjust temperature any day, though. Nothing says "a responsible car maker" like having autopilot drive you into a firetruck while you're fiddling with the touchscreen.
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Audi and Jaguar are also luxury cars, and X isn't.

by Fins 7y ago

Audi and Jaguar are also luxury cars, and X isn't.

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sabareesh 7y ago

Ok how do you define luxury car.

Fins 7y ago
Quality, amenities, service experience, stuff like that. Not making things inherently more dangerous is nice, too.
- sabareesh 7y ago
  Model 3 is safest production car to the date, as most of the car components are integrated problems can be fixed remotely but still when you have to get to Service Center Tesla is notably improving it. Quality of Tesla drive train, battery, efficiency, supercharger network, software ecosystem, Autopilot (which is best driver assist system available now) .
  - Fins 7y ago
    This would have been funny, if you weren't actually being serious. That way it's just sad.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      Please don’t do this here.
      - Fins 7y ago
        Sorry, but what should one do with posts that are just blatantly false?
        zaroth 7y ago
        Citations, not personal attacks. For example, as to the claim it is the safest production car ever made, you could cite NHTSA finding the Tesla Model 3 had the best combined VSS (Vehicle Safety Score) ever tested. [1] Regarding remote maintenance, the latest firmware does add the capability to notify the operator of an issue and pre-orders parts to your home service center. [2] I can't speak to drive train specifically, although Tesla has stated they design and build to a 1,000,000 mile standard. Longevity and low maintenance cost is a huge factor for Tesla buyers. A Model S driven for Tesloop logged over 400,000 miles and ended up with just a $0.05/mile maintenance cost. [3] Battery reliability is much higher than everyone expected, and owner surveys of older Model S batteries show 90%+ capacity after 160,000 miles. [4] Efficiency is easy to demonstrate that Tesla is way ahead of the pack. In my Tesla Model 3 AWD with 19" rims I get ~220Wh/mile, and the RWD version with 18" rims is more efficient than that. The only more efficient EV I know of is the Ionic, which has a 28kWh battery and 3,100 lbs curb weight allows it to beat the Tesla Model 3 at 50kWh battery and 3,552 lbs by 4% in terms of mpge, but has 100 miles less range. The Tesla Supercharger network is one of a kind. The V3 Supercharger update brings the fastest production charging in the world. The software ecosystem, presumably meaning OTA updates, have brought innumerable software features, and even hardware performance upgrades (braking and acceleration) in the last several months. My son also really appreciates the new Atari games that keep coming out. You can debate whether you think AutoPilot is the best driver assistance package available, but it is far from "blatantly false". AutoPilot takes me to work and back every day with very little manual input. It makes a heavy traffic commute totally stress free. I do look out the window while I have it engaged though, not watching a movie on my phone or tablet. [1] - https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=NHTSA-2017-0037-0041&attachmentNumber=1&contentType=excel12book https://www.regulations.gov/contentStreamer?documentId=NHTSA... [2] - https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-diagnose-pre-order-parts-service/ https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-diagnose-pre-order-part... [3] - https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-teslas https://www.tesloop.com/blog/2019/2/6/tesloops-high-mileage-... [4] - https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90-capacity-after-160000-miles-may-last-for-500000-miles/ https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/16/tesla-batteries-have-90...
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rasz 7y ago

nothing says luxury like Jaguars laggy infotainment ala $30 android tablet

Fins 7y ago
Jaguar's old supplier of electric parts was known as "the prince of darkness"... I'll take laggy infotainment over a system where you have to use touchscreen to adjust temperature any day, though. Nothing says "a responsible car maker" like having autopilot drive you into a firetruck while you're fiddling with the touchscreen.
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