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Just release Office for Linux and this wouldn't be necessary at all.

sameoldfears 7y ago
I agree. We just moved to 365. I am thinking about wiping my work win10 and just installing Linux and using all the web versions.
- tssva 7y ago
  I assume any compatibility issues with Chromium will soon disappear given Edge's migration to being Chromium based but how well do the web versions work with Firefox?
  - markild 7y ago
    I've used it a bit, though not extensively, and I've seen no issues.
  - isbjorn16 7y ago
    MSFT employee here. My workstation that I use almost exclusively is Mint. I am one of those people who are, to put it politely, not keen on Google's ad and data sponge tentacles in every last item on the planet, and so I use Firefox as my primary browser. O365 has yet to show me many problems with the O365 suite. The only problem I do have is a complete and utter lack of desktop notifications. I'm late to meetings a lot. For someone who values punctuality, it's a major flaw in my view. We also use Teams a lot, and there the Firefox + Linux story is significantly worse. You lose all teleconference capabilities - and that's true for Chrome or Chromium as well. The chat functionality is acceptable and weirdly, the notifications on Teams work without any problems. Someone on that team needs to show the O365 team how to do it. I have a VM for when I absolutely have to do something in Windows. For everything else, there's ~~mastercard~~ linux.
    - mixmastamyk 7y ago
      I put all notifications on my mobile device, it works well. A web app should be able to send OS notifications however, e.g. slack does on my copy of Ubuntu. Believe I had to enable permission once.
      - isbjorn16 7y ago
        That's a good idea; it probably wouldn't matter for me since my phone is muted all day long and I only use my phone if I'm on a coffee quest, but most people are a lot more attached to their phones than I am
        mixmastamyk 7y ago
        I don't mute mine but put it in airplane mode, so no interruptions that I didn't program. Also strobes the flash when an alarm goes off.
- emptyfile 7y ago
  I disagree, when I finally got the option of running a Postgresql server in WSL in Windows 10, I uninstalled Linux and never look back. Linux on desktop is a bad joke.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    Postgres has been working on Windows forever, I used it from 2007 or so. Also, my Ubuntu Mate has been working flawlessly on the desktop for 5 years, 10+ if you count the gnome2 days. No privacy invasion or helpful ads either.
  - SubiculumCode 7y ago
    Funny. I think my Mate Desktop works pretty damn well.
scardine 7y ago
While all my servers are Linux, on the Desktop it is my last choice. Interesting enough I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box. Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks WSL makes Windows a quite decent development workstation. Currently I'm using Windows + WSL and I'm quite satisfied. Looks like with the new version some of the tweaks to use docker are not necessary anymore. Great work, Microsoft, keep the pace.
- CoolGuySteve 7y ago
  I have the same motivation as you, I just want shit that works. But Windows is the absolute last place I find that. All I get are updates that break my setup, constant inane interruptions from Cortana or the desktop or wherever, advertisement tiles in the fucking start menu, forced updates that can't be done in the background, Windows Activation disappearing after hardware upgrades, etc. I feel like I'm in the Stepford Wives with all these people coming out of the woodwork to proclaim how majestic the Windows experience is. A few years back I switched from Mac to Ubuntu for the faster, cheaper, diverse hardware and I have to say, it's pretty much perfect in the "Just Works" department on the 3 laptops + 2 desktops I've installed it on. But I'm also one of those people that actually liked Unity so I don't have to mess with it much after installing.
  - scardine 7y ago
    Interesting, may be I have some setting that prevents Cortana from annoying me and prevents windows from placing ads on the start menu. Not that I use the start menu often, generally I just hit the search box and start typing the name of the app I want (if it is not pinned to the task bar already). I'm using Windows 10 Pro (Insider Preview fast track) and not seeing the annoyances you are experiencing.
    - phishfi 7y ago
      In my experience, the ads are only present at initial setup. Once you remove the shortcuts (and disable suggested apps), they don't show up again.
kevingadd 7y ago
How does Office for Linux solve the problem of doing Linux development or using Linux applications on Windows?
- deleted 7y ago
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- vetinari 7y ago
  It solves it by not needing Windows at all. You can then do Linux development and use Linux applications on Linux.
logicchains 7y ago
How's Office for Linux going to help my laptop reliably wake from hibernation?
- mbrumlow 7y ago
  What hardware do you use? I use Linux exclusively on all my systems, and have not had any problems at all. So I always wonder what hardware is being used that does not work... For my laptops I use Think pads and various Dell systems. The only thing I always try to make sure when buying a laptop though is it is a Intel CPU with integrated inlet GPU -- just doing that and I have never really had any problems. In any case, I am looking for the exact model you are using that has the problem -- so I can maybe find a cheap one on ebay and mess around with it.
  - nogridbag 7y ago
    I believe Linux does not support the "modern standby" sleep state: S0 which allows PCs to behave like your smartphone. It's probably more of a problem with the hardware manufacturers than Linux, but regardless the end result is that it only works on Windows. For example, my Surface Book, when it's working, resumes instantly.
    - v_lisivka 7y ago
      It looks like you right: sleeping in S0 is not supported by Linux, only Windows does this: ACPI Sleep States (S0 - S5) •S0: Normal Powered-On state •S1 Standby •S2: Not supported •S3 Suspend to Ram •S4 Suspend to Disk
  - logicchains 7y ago
    Dell XPS with Fedora (work laptop). I don't think it's specific to the model because my colleagues don't all have the same model but most have the same problem.
sk0g 7y ago
That's incredibly short sighted, isn't it? I like to record audio, and use DAWs and plugins/ VSTs. What about artists who use graphic design or video editing programs? Is your use case the only valid one, for whatever reason?
- erikbye 7y ago
  Have you tried Bitwig on Linux?
  - sk0g 7y ago
    Haven't heard of it, no. Looks like a DAW, right? DAWs aren't really the problem - Reaper is on Linux as well, and it's perfectly serviceable. The issue is proprietary software like Helix Native/ HX Edit, and VSTs that have tough DRMs would be borderline impossible to set up. I assume. I kinda gave up on Linux when I got my XPS 15 though, because there just didn't seem to be a way to have good switchable graphics without reboots, because that's just dumb and impractical, decent battery life, and the OS not freezing every time the touch screen was activate (mainly an issue with Ubuntu and derivatives, for whatever reason). Oh and the fingerprint sensor wouldn't work. Per display scaling seemed finicky in some desktop environments, etc. Might try it again soon with Pop_os! or something of that sort, but I need this to be a stable machine for work, so dunno :|
- alex7o 7y ago
  Repaer also works natively even on a Raspberry Pi.
seanc 7y ago
I've been using Ubuntu on my primary work laptop for years now, and the only real sticking point is video conferencing. Skype for Business and Webex barely work. Google hangouts is n't bad, but often runs into audio trouble with pulse and alsa. And the real trouble is that you can't just go find the one that works. If your co-workers all use webex then you're stuck.

I agree. We just moved to 365. I am thinking about wiping my work win10 and just installing Linux and using all the web versions.

tssva 7y ago
I assume any compatibility issues with Chromium will soon disappear given Edge's migration to being Chromium based but how well do the web versions work with Firefox?
- markild 7y ago
  I've used it a bit, though not extensively, and I've seen no issues.
- isbjorn16 7y ago
  MSFT employee here. My workstation that I use almost exclusively is Mint. I am one of those people who are, to put it politely, not keen on Google's ad and data sponge tentacles in every last item on the planet, and so I use Firefox as my primary browser. O365 has yet to show me many problems with the O365 suite. The only problem I do have is a complete and utter lack of desktop notifications. I'm late to meetings a lot. For someone who values punctuality, it's a major flaw in my view. We also use Teams a lot, and there the Firefox + Linux story is significantly worse. You lose all teleconference capabilities - and that's true for Chrome or Chromium as well. The chat functionality is acceptable and weirdly, the notifications on Teams work without any problems. Someone on that team needs to show the O365 team how to do it. I have a VM for when I absolutely have to do something in Windows. For everything else, there's ~~mastercard~~ linux.
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    I put all notifications on my mobile device, it works well. A web app should be able to send OS notifications however, e.g. slack does on my copy of Ubuntu. Believe I had to enable permission once.
    - isbjorn16 7y ago
      That's a good idea; it probably wouldn't matter for me since my phone is muted all day long and I only use my phone if I'm on a coffee quest, but most people are a lot more attached to their phones than I am
      - mixmastamyk 7y ago
        I don't mute mine but put it in airplane mode, so no interruptions that I didn't program. Also strobes the flash when an alarm goes off.
emptyfile 7y ago
I disagree, when I finally got the option of running a Postgresql server in WSL in Windows 10, I uninstalled Linux and never look back. Linux on desktop is a bad joke.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Postgres has been working on Windows forever, I used it from 2007 or so. Also, my Ubuntu Mate has been working flawlessly on the desktop for 5 years, 10+ if you count the gnome2 days. No privacy invasion or helpful ads either.
- SubiculumCode 7y ago
  Funny. I think my Mate Desktop works pretty damn well.

scardine 7y ago

While all my servers are Linux, on the Desktop it is my last choice. Interesting enough I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box. Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks WSL makes Windows a quite decent development workstation. Currently I'm using Windows + WSL and I'm quite satisfied. Looks like with the new version some of the tweaks to use docker are not necessary anymore. Great work, Microsoft, keep the pace.

CoolGuySteve 7y ago
I have the same motivation as you, I just want shit that works. But Windows is the absolute last place I find that. All I get are updates that break my setup, constant inane interruptions from Cortana or the desktop or wherever, advertisement tiles in the fucking start menu, forced updates that can't be done in the background, Windows Activation disappearing after hardware upgrades, etc. I feel like I'm in the Stepford Wives with all these people coming out of the woodwork to proclaim how majestic the Windows experience is. A few years back I switched from Mac to Ubuntu for the faster, cheaper, diverse hardware and I have to say, it's pretty much perfect in the "Just Works" department on the 3 laptops + 2 desktops I've installed it on. But I'm also one of those people that actually liked Unity so I don't have to mess with it much after installing.
- scardine 7y ago
  Interesting, may be I have some setting that prevents Cortana from annoying me and prevents windows from placing ads on the start menu. Not that I use the start menu often, generally I just hit the search box and start typing the name of the app I want (if it is not pinned to the task bar already). I'm using Windows 10 Pro (Insider Preview fast track) and not seeing the annoyances you are experiencing.
  - phishfi 7y ago
    In my experience, the ads are only present at initial setup. Once you remove the shortcuts (and disable suggested apps), they don't show up again.

kevingadd 7y ago

How does Office for Linux solve the problem of doing Linux development or using Linux applications on Windows?

deleted 7y ago
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vetinari 7y ago
It solves it by not needing Windows at all. You can then do Linux development and use Linux applications on Linux.

logicchains 7y ago

How's Office for Linux going to help my laptop reliably wake from hibernation?

mbrumlow 7y ago
What hardware do you use? I use Linux exclusively on all my systems, and have not had any problems at all. So I always wonder what hardware is being used that does not work... For my laptops I use Think pads and various Dell systems. The only thing I always try to make sure when buying a laptop though is it is a Intel CPU with integrated inlet GPU -- just doing that and I have never really had any problems. In any case, I am looking for the exact model you are using that has the problem -- so I can maybe find a cheap one on ebay and mess around with it.
- nogridbag 7y ago
  I believe Linux does not support the "modern standby" sleep state: S0 which allows PCs to behave like your smartphone. It's probably more of a problem with the hardware manufacturers than Linux, but regardless the end result is that it only works on Windows. For example, my Surface Book, when it's working, resumes instantly.
  - v_lisivka 7y ago
    It looks like you right: sleeping in S0 is not supported by Linux, only Windows does this: ACPI Sleep States (S0 - S5) •S0: Normal Powered-On state •S1 Standby •S2: Not supported •S3 Suspend to Ram •S4 Suspend to Disk
- logicchains 7y ago
  Dell XPS with Fedora (work laptop). I don't think it's specific to the model because my colleagues don't all have the same model but most have the same problem.

sk0g 7y ago

That's incredibly short sighted, isn't it? I like to record audio, and use DAWs and plugins/ VSTs. What about artists who use graphic design or video editing programs? Is your use case the only valid one, for whatever reason?

erikbye 7y ago
Have you tried Bitwig on Linux?
- sk0g 7y ago
  Haven't heard of it, no. Looks like a DAW, right? DAWs aren't really the problem - Reaper is on Linux as well, and it's perfectly serviceable. The issue is proprietary software like Helix Native/ HX Edit, and VSTs that have tough DRMs would be borderline impossible to set up. I assume. I kinda gave up on Linux when I got my XPS 15 though, because there just didn't seem to be a way to have good switchable graphics without reboots, because that's just dumb and impractical, decent battery life, and the OS not freezing every time the touch screen was activate (mainly an issue with Ubuntu and derivatives, for whatever reason). Oh and the fingerprint sensor wouldn't work. Per display scaling seemed finicky in some desktop environments, etc. Might try it again soon with Pop_os! or something of that sort, but I need this to be a stable machine for work, so dunno :|
alex7o 7y ago
Repaer also works natively even on a Raspberry Pi.

seanc 7y ago

I've been using Ubuntu on my primary work laptop for years now, and the only real sticking point is video conferencing. Skype for Business and Webex barely work. Google hangouts is n't bad, but often runs into audio trouble with pulse and alsa. And the real trouble is that you can't just go find the one that works. If your co-workers all use webex then you're stuck.