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Just do keto-diet, and sugar addiction will dissolve pretty quickly.

by xvilka 8y ago

YUMad 8y ago
+1. Undo the 10 millenia of evil.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Or ignore 10 millenia of evolution, if you want to look at it that way.
  - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
    People ignore that - we have clear evidence that you can adapt to drinking milk in that span of time, why is that people think we haven't otherwise adapted to an agrarian lifestyle that's existed just as long?
    - beat 8y ago
      The success of agrarian diets doesn't mean they are healthier than what might be called paleo. Rather, it has a host of other side effects - a larger, more stable food supply means a larger population. A large population means specialization. Farming means staying in one place, forming permanent communities and permanent tools/storage that can't necessarily be carried by hand. Agrarian societies can develop new technologies and field dedicated military forces. They can develop writing. Etc.
      - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
        But if we acknowledge we adapted to it, we can't just assume that paleo is better for us strictly because it's "more natural" - we adapted to make milk natural for us to drink as well. And if we reject that - how can we say that our adaptation to a paleo diet is then better as it's part of our evolutionary tree?
        beat 8y ago
        Not everyone adapted to milk. Lactose intolerance is widespread, and even more common with people whose ancestors did not have a dairy culture.
        SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
        Oh absolutely, but the people who were exposed to the new diet did. We can and have adapted that quickly.
henryackerman 8y ago
I'm not even on a keto diet, but I avoid refined sugars as much as possible. On most days my refined sugar intake is well below 10 grams. You don't have to do go full keto to get a health benefit!
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  This is exactly it. There's no need to take things to extremes. Any diet that is unsustainable long term is not going to be good for you.
  - scarecrowbob 8y ago
    "Any diet that is unsustainable long term is not going to be good for you." I hope this doesn't come across as too pedantic, but I dunno if your maxim holds. For instance, fasting isn't necessarily bad (I think it's quite useful) but clearly it's an unsustainable beyond a certain number of days. Similarly, keto can both be very effective, change your eating preferences, and be done over a span of months even if it's not something done forever into the future. I say this not because I have data, but just anecdotally... I lost quite a lot of weight through fasting and ketosis, and now that I've hit a stable weight and modified my diet (no sodas, sweets, bread, dairy and mostly plant based high-fat foods) I'm not in keto but a lot healthier than I was. You can enter ketosis long enough to lose some weight and then add back in some carbs at some point... just don't return to whatever habits led you to gain weight in the first place.
    - senux 8y ago
      > You can enter ketosis long enough to lose some weight and then add back in some carbs at some point... just don't return to whatever habits led you to gain weight in the first place. That's the key though. Despite using keto or fasting, you still changed your diet. However, the changes you've made are more manageable for the long run.
      - scarecrowbob 8y ago
skrebbel 8y ago
There's nothing "just" about doing keto
- tw1010 8y ago
  There's no need to go hungry while doing keto. Once you realize this it becomes a lot easier. Just eat when you have cravings (but stick to low-carb things), that's it!
  - beat 8y ago
    It doesn't mean going hungry, but it does mean taking some pretty extreme measures, because any day that exceeds keto-level carbs is going off the wagon and requires another physical reset to get back into keto.
    - tw1010 8y ago
      Slow carb is a pretty good alternative if you don't want to be as strict: https://medium.com/@erinfrey/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-slow-carb-diet-a67062761d92 https://medium.com/@erinfrey/everything-you-need-to-know-abo....
mweibel 8y ago
I hear about keto so often that it must be the best thing ever, however I have no idea what it even is and I got curious! Do you have some links/articles which describe what it is and what positive/negative things can come out of it?
- busymom0 8y ago
  I have done Keto myself and personally I would not recommend it. I would actually love to do keto forever as I love eating meat but it will pretty much ruin most of your social eating out habits unless you are okay with not going out for things like Sushi (not eating rolls), ice cream etc. I also do powerlifting and my calorie requirements are much higher. Strength wise, my strength took a dip initially but it mostly came back after about 1-2 weeks. But my endurance was absolutely horrible (this is due to your body having to first convert the fats to glycogen, then using the energy instead of readily available carb sourced glycogen). Anyway, I personally did it for about 2 months and even though I enjoyed it, I would not recommend it for most people. I tried it because I don't like dissing something without trying it first, so I put myself on Keto for 2 months to see what it was all about. I would recommend the same - try it for about 2 months and then decide it for yourself. Note that you will have to bear through the first 1-2 weeks of brain fogginess and low energy as your body adapts to it. But once that's over and you are in Ketosis, you will feel much better. Another thing to be careful about is that your body will go out of ketosis very easily if you eat carbs (ice cream for example). Don't use it as a way to lose body weight as most of the weight people lose is actually water weight due to the lack of carbs based glycogen. I would recommend this Jeff Nippard's YouTube video on Keto too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmVsT_ZeNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmVsT_ZeNs
  - mweibel 8y ago
    thanks for the interesting response and the link.
  - claroclinic 8y ago
    Usually, the diet is also high in dietary fat, at least long term. In a more short-term diet, this is not always necessary. It’s possible to instead be fueled via your own fat stores, as long as you have excess weight to lose. https://medium.com/@jovialdiets1/complete-guide-for-keto-diet-to-lose-weight-78554e58ec41 https://medium.com/@jovialdiets1/complete-guide-for-keto-die...
mathgeek 8y ago
Have there been studies showing this for subjects that go off keto after some amount of time? Most anecdotal evidence (including my own experience) leads me to believe it’s rather simple to begin eating sugar again post-diet without any difference in cravings.
victor106 8y ago
Keto is great but be aware of increased cholesterol readings at least in certain 🧬. All of my Indian friends report that their cholesterol LDL was very high while they were doing keto.
- pnw_hazor 8y ago
  There is little evidence LDL is bad for you.

Just do keto-diet, and sugar addiction will dissolve pretty quickly.

by xvilka 8y ago

Just do keto-diet, and sugar addiction will dissolve pretty quickly.

YUMad 8y ago

+1. Undo the 10 millenia of evil.

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
Or ignore 10 millenia of evolution, if you want to look at it that way.
- SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
  People ignore that - we have clear evidence that you can adapt to drinking milk in that span of time, why is that people think we haven't otherwise adapted to an agrarian lifestyle that's existed just as long?
  - beat 8y ago
    The success of agrarian diets doesn't mean they are healthier than what might be called paleo. Rather, it has a host of other side effects - a larger, more stable food supply means a larger population. A large population means specialization. Farming means staying in one place, forming permanent communities and permanent tools/storage that can't necessarily be carried by hand. Agrarian societies can develop new technologies and field dedicated military forces. They can develop writing. Etc.
    - SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
      But if we acknowledge we adapted to it, we can't just assume that paleo is better for us strictly because it's "more natural" - we adapted to make milk natural for us to drink as well. And if we reject that - how can we say that our adaptation to a paleo diet is then better as it's part of our evolutionary tree?
      - beat 8y ago
        Not everyone adapted to milk. Lactose intolerance is widespread, and even more common with people whose ancestors did not have a dairy culture.
        SketchySeaBeast 8y ago
        Oh absolutely, but the people who were exposed to the new diet did. We can and have adapted that quickly.

henryackerman 8y ago

I'm not even on a keto diet, but I avoid refined sugars as much as possible. On most days my refined sugar intake is well below 10 grams. You don't have to do go full keto to get a health benefit!

SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
This is exactly it. There's no need to take things to extremes. Any diet that is unsustainable long term is not going to be good for you.
- scarecrowbob 8y ago
  "Any diet that is unsustainable long term is not going to be good for you." I hope this doesn't come across as too pedantic, but I dunno if your maxim holds. For instance, fasting isn't necessarily bad (I think it's quite useful) but clearly it's an unsustainable beyond a certain number of days. Similarly, keto can both be very effective, change your eating preferences, and be done over a span of months even if it's not something done forever into the future. I say this not because I have data, but just anecdotally... I lost quite a lot of weight through fasting and ketosis, and now that I've hit a stable weight and modified my diet (no sodas, sweets, bread, dairy and mostly plant based high-fat foods) I'm not in keto but a lot healthier than I was. You can enter ketosis long enough to lose some weight and then add back in some carbs at some point... just don't return to whatever habits led you to gain weight in the first place.
  - senux 8y ago
    > You can enter ketosis long enough to lose some weight and then add back in some carbs at some point... just don't return to whatever habits led you to gain weight in the first place. That's the key though. Despite using keto or fasting, you still changed your diet. However, the changes you've made are more manageable for the long run.
    - scarecrowbob 8y ago

skrebbel 8y ago

There's nothing "just" about doing keto

tw1010 8y ago
There's no need to go hungry while doing keto. Once you realize this it becomes a lot easier. Just eat when you have cravings (but stick to low-carb things), that's it!
- beat 8y ago
  It doesn't mean going hungry, but it does mean taking some pretty extreme measures, because any day that exceeds keto-level carbs is going off the wagon and requires another physical reset to get back into keto.
  - tw1010 8y ago
    Slow carb is a pretty good alternative if you don't want to be as strict: https://medium.com/@erinfrey/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-slow-carb-diet-a67062761d92 https://medium.com/@erinfrey/everything-you-need-to-know-abo....

mweibel 8y ago

I hear about keto so often that it must be the best thing ever, however I have no idea what it even is and I got curious! Do you have some links/articles which describe what it is and what positive/negative things can come out of it?

busymom0 8y ago
I have done Keto myself and personally I would not recommend it. I would actually love to do keto forever as I love eating meat but it will pretty much ruin most of your social eating out habits unless you are okay with not going out for things like Sushi (not eating rolls), ice cream etc. I also do powerlifting and my calorie requirements are much higher. Strength wise, my strength took a dip initially but it mostly came back after about 1-2 weeks. But my endurance was absolutely horrible (this is due to your body having to first convert the fats to glycogen, then using the energy instead of readily available carb sourced glycogen). Anyway, I personally did it for about 2 months and even though I enjoyed it, I would not recommend it for most people. I tried it because I don't like dissing something without trying it first, so I put myself on Keto for 2 months to see what it was all about. I would recommend the same - try it for about 2 months and then decide it for yourself. Note that you will have to bear through the first 1-2 weeks of brain fogginess and low energy as your body adapts to it. But once that's over and you are in Ketosis, you will feel much better. Another thing to be careful about is that your body will go out of ketosis very easily if you eat carbs (ice cream for example). Don't use it as a way to lose body weight as most of the weight people lose is actually water weight due to the lack of carbs based glycogen. I would recommend this Jeff Nippard's YouTube video on Keto too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmVsT_ZeNs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxmVsT_ZeNs
- mweibel 8y ago
  thanks for the interesting response and the link.
- claroclinic 8y ago
  Usually, the diet is also high in dietary fat, at least long term. In a more short-term diet, this is not always necessary. It’s possible to instead be fueled via your own fat stores, as long as you have excess weight to lose. https://medium.com/@jovialdiets1/complete-guide-for-keto-diet-to-lose-weight-78554e58ec41 https://medium.com/@jovialdiets1/complete-guide-for-keto-die...

mathgeek 8y ago

Have there been studies showing this for subjects that go off keto after some amount of time? Most anecdotal evidence (including my own experience) leads me to believe it’s rather simple to begin eating sugar again post-diet without any difference in cravings.

victor106 8y ago

Keto is great but be aware of increased cholesterol readings at least in certain 🧬. All of my Indian friends report that their cholesterol LDL was very high while they were doing keto.

pnw_hazor 8y ago
There is little evidence LDL is bad for you.