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Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. He was born there. I don't know if you recogni

by burfog 7y ago

Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. He was born there. I don't know if you recognize dual citizenship, but if you do then it seems he is still Australian. His son James Murdoch is eligible to have Australian citizenship. Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party. James Murdoch gave the legal maximum amount to Pete Buttigieg, who is hardly far right by American standards.

enraged_camel 7y ago
>>Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. This sounds like a very bizarre thing to focus on. I was born in another country, and have been living in the US for 17 years, i.e. all my adult life. I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family; I'm unfamiliar with and ignorant of cultural changes, events, news, etc. that have happened since I left. So if I controlled most of the media outlets back home from where I currently am... does that not strike you as something that my home country's citizens can reasonably take issue with?
- crispinb 7y ago
  To be fair to @burfog there, it was me that brought the 'foreigner' thing up. > I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family Yeah, isn't that odd. I'm a UK expat living in Aus & I feel the same. I'm far more at home in Australia (despite still having an English accent). Murdoch is a special case in a way because, although dual US/Aus citizenship is a thing, he explicitly renounced Australian citizenship because it was required under US media ownership laws (IIRC) for a deal he wanted to push through. That does make his dominance of the Aus media scene stick in the craw even more, though (as I mentioned above) the whole issue does sniff a bit of a kind of xenophobia I dislike. Besides, there's plenty enough to dislike about Murdoch & his empire without needing to bring nationality into it ;)
crispinb 7y ago
> Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, He gave up his Australian citizenship to further his US business interests. He is widely considered to be an enemy of the nation. I regret my 'foreigner' cheap shot though. It's irrelevant, even a tad xenophobic. > Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party. Fox News! The fact that Murdoch may attempt to smear his malign influence also over corporate Dems (a standard balanced corruption portfolio) is little mitigation. > James Murdoch gave the legal maximum amount to Pete Buttigieg Different person.
- burfog 7y ago
  If you're going to apply the adjective "far" to Fox News, then you'll also need to apply it to the New York Times. According to Pew Research, that is more to the left than Fox is to the right. I think "far" should be reserved for Slate, Breitbart, NPR, New Yorker, Glenn Beck Program, Daily Show, Sean Hannity Show, Colbert Report, Rush Limbaugh Show, Daily Kos, TheBlaze, Mother Jones. ABC is near the center. Here is a chart centered on that, and you can pick others by clicking on the dots below: https://www.journalism.org/interactives/media-polarization/outlet/abc-news/ https://www.journalism.org/interactives/media-polarization/o... BTW, now that I think of it, Americans have a stronger case that a foreigner is running their news. By some measures, an Australian is running the largest news source. The change of citizenship is just a business tactic to enable that.
  - crispinb 7y ago
    > Americans have a stronger case that a foreigner is running their news We'll accept blame for his having been spawned, but he's totally yours now!

by burfog 7y ago

enraged_camel 7y ago

>>Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, having gained US citizenship in 1985, but he comes from Australia. This sounds like a very bizarre thing to focus on. I was born in another country, and have been living in the US for 17 years, i.e. all my adult life. I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family; I'm unfamiliar with and ignorant of cultural changes, events, news, etc. that have happened since I left. So if I controlled most of the media outlets back home from where I currently am... does that not strike you as something that my home country's citizens can reasonably take issue with?

crispinb 7y ago
To be fair to @burfog there, it was me that brought the 'foreigner' thing up. > I am absolutely a foreigner when I visit family Yeah, isn't that odd. I'm a UK expat living in Aus & I feel the same. I'm far more at home in Australia (despite still having an English accent). Murdoch is a special case in a way because, although dual US/Aus citizenship is a thing, he explicitly renounced Australian citizenship because it was required under US media ownership laws (IIRC) for a deal he wanted to push through. That does make his dominance of the Aus media scene stick in the craw even more, though (as I mentioned above) the whole issue does sniff a bit of a kind of xenophobia I dislike. Besides, there's plenty enough to dislike about Murdoch & his empire without needing to bring nationality into it ;)

crispinb 7y ago

> Rupert Murdoch is somewhat a foreigner to you, He gave up his Australian citizenship to further his US business interests. He is widely considered to be an enemy of the nation. I regret my 'foreigner' cheap shot though. It's irrelevant, even a tad xenophobic. > Their press may be a "far right press" by Australian standards, but over here they make donations to our more-left party. Fox News! The fact that Murdoch may attempt to smear his malign influence also over corporate Dems (a standard balanced corruption portfolio) is little mitigation. > James Murdoch gave the legal maximum amount to Pete Buttigieg Different person.

burfog 7y ago
If you're going to apply the adjective "far" to Fox News, then you'll also need to apply it to the New York Times. According to Pew Research, that is more to the left than Fox is to the right. I think "far" should be reserved for Slate, Breitbart, NPR, New Yorker, Glenn Beck Program, Daily Show, Sean Hannity Show, Colbert Report, Rush Limbaugh Show, Daily Kos, TheBlaze, Mother Jones. ABC is near the center. Here is a chart centered on that, and you can pick others by clicking on the dots below: https://www.journalism.org/interactives/media-polarization/outlet/abc-news/ https://www.journalism.org/interactives/media-polarization/o... BTW, now that I think of it, Americans have a stronger case that a foreigner is running their news. By some measures, an Australian is running the largest news source. The change of citizenship is just a business tactic to enable that.
- crispinb 7y ago
  > Americans have a stronger case that a foreigner is running their news We'll accept blame for his having been spawned, but he's totally yours now!