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Tell that to the author of “The Peace Corps and Latin America”, who used S3 v1 URLs dozens of times in the book, with the assumption that they’d be available fo

Tell that to the author of “The Peace Corps and Latin America”, who used S3 v1 URLs dozens of times in the book, with the assumption that they’d be available forever: https://books.google.com/books?id=Q312DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&dq=https://s3.amazonaws.com&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA2tek3o3iAhWYHjQIHVOjDSwQ6AEIKjAB#v=onepage&q=https%3A%2F%2Fs3.amazonaws.com&f=false https://books.google.com/books?id=Q312DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA135&dq=h... And thousands of other books like that.

draw_down 7y ago
Using URLs you don't control in a book is just a bad idea all around. If you're reading a book some years after its publication, a URL that still does work will be the exception.
oconnore 7y ago
Did they discuss that with Amazon prior to publishing? That seems like a completely silly assumption to make for a product that’s been around for only 13 years.
- DVassallo 7y ago
  Also every AWS book out there that has instructions on how to install the AWS CLI uses the v1 URL! You know why? Because that’s the official URL! https://twitter.com/dvassallo/status/1125502432924975104?s=21 https://twitter.com/dvassallo/status/1125502432924975104?s=2...
whoisjuan 7y ago
Why would they think/assume that URLs have infinite durability? If you buy a floppy disk with some data, it's very likely that you can still get the data that it holds if you manage to get a Floppy Disk Drive. But you cannot expect any change in the evolving conditions that allow you to get a floppy disk driver. It's very likely that there would be something that replaces URLs in the future. Amazon promise seems to be that they will always keep your data integrity and keep it accessible. The way I see is that they will be moving my data to newer or better storage types and will keep my data unchanged regardless of any technology change. To keep with the analogy, Amazon's promise here is that they will always keep the data that you originally stored in your floppy disk, but they cannot promise to give it back to you in a floppy disk. Next year they might give it back to you in a CD and the year after in a cartridge. The data has been always there, intact. They are just giving it to you in a different medium.
kalleboo 7y ago
Testing some of the other, non-s3 links in that bibliography, they're also all dead. I'm not supporting the old deprecation policy, in fact I thought it was insane. But if anyone publishes a URL assuming that it won't disappear they've not been paying attention. If the peace corps just migrated to Azure instead the links would also die.
noego 7y ago
We're arguing over semantics. Here's the exact quote from the page you linked: > designed to provide 99.999999999% durability of objects over a given year. This durability level corresponds to an average annual expected loss of 0.000000001% of objects. For example, if you store 10,000,000 objects with Amazon S3, you can on average expect to incur a loss of a single object once every 10,000 years They are referring to durability as corruption in the underlying data store due to known storage-technology risks. If they were to take into account all other risks, they would also have to include the risks of nuclear war, cyber warfare, the US government classifying your organization as a terrorist threat, etc etc.

draw_down 7y ago

Using URLs you don't control in a book is just a bad idea all around. If you're reading a book some years after its publication, a URL that still does work will be the exception.

oconnore 7y ago

Did they discuss that with Amazon prior to publishing? That seems like a completely silly assumption to make for a product that’s been around for only 13 years.

DVassallo 7y ago
Also every AWS book out there that has instructions on how to install the AWS CLI uses the v1 URL! You know why? Because that’s the official URL! https://twitter.com/dvassallo/status/1125502432924975104?s=21 https://twitter.com/dvassallo/status/1125502432924975104?s=2...

whoisjuan 7y ago

Why would they think/assume that URLs have infinite durability? If you buy a floppy disk with some data, it's very likely that you can still get the data that it holds if you manage to get a Floppy Disk Drive. But you cannot expect any change in the evolving conditions that allow you to get a floppy disk driver. It's very likely that there would be something that replaces URLs in the future. Amazon promise seems to be that they will always keep your data integrity and keep it accessible. The way I see is that they will be moving my data to newer or better storage types and will keep my data unchanged regardless of any technology change. To keep with the analogy, Amazon's promise here is that they will always keep the data that you originally stored in your floppy disk, but they cannot promise to give it back to you in a floppy disk. Next year they might give it back to you in a CD and the year after in a cartridge. The data has been always there, intact. They are just giving it to you in a different medium.

kalleboo 7y ago

Testing some of the other, non-s3 links in that bibliography, they're also all dead. I'm not supporting the old deprecation policy, in fact I thought it was insane. But if anyone publishes a URL assuming that it won't disappear they've not been paying attention. If the peace corps just migrated to Azure instead the links would also die.

noego 7y ago

We're arguing over semantics. Here's the exact quote from the page you linked: > designed to provide 99.999999999% durability of objects over a given year. This durability level corresponds to an average annual expected loss of 0.000000001% of objects. For example, if you store 10,000,000 objects with Amazon S3, you can on average expect to incur a loss of a single object once every 10,000 years They are referring to durability as corruption in the underlying data store due to known storage-technology risks. If they were to take into account all other risks, they would also have to include the risks of nuclear war, cyber warfare, the US government classifying your organization as a terrorist threat, etc etc.