This is definitely true, but as you say orchestration frameworks were a dime a dozen at the time, and Kubernetes, when launched at Dockercon, was barely that.

This is definitely true, but as you say orchestration frameworks were a dime a dozen at the time, and Kubernetes, when launched at Dockercon, was barely that. Of course we actively chose to not collaborate on it, even after it matured a bit and had a good community.