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Really? I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube. Yes, there are lots of right-wing videos. Fascist? I don't believe there are that many on YouTube, unless y

Really? I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube. Yes, there are lots of right-wing videos. Fascist? I don't believe there are that many on YouTube, unless you define fascist as anything anti-left.

yellowapple 7y ago
> I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube The Recommendation Algorithm Gods have been kind to you, then. Not all of us are so fortunate.
- educationdata 7y ago
  OK. I believe that. But does this mean you watched fascist video by yourself, otherwise YouTube wouldn't recommend those videos to you, right?
  - dx87 7y ago
    No, that's not how their algorithm works. I can't find the link now, but a former employee said that their algorithm is designed to keep you engaged with the site, and that typically involves directing you to more and more extreme versions of the previous videos. For example, if you were to watch a video about mainstream rock and continually follow YouTube's recommendations at the end of the videos, you'd end up at videos about death metal, or other niche genres. It does the same thing with politics; you can start out watching a Bernie Sanders video and end up at videos promoting full on socialism, or watch a video about increasing border security and end up at videos about immigrants ruining the country.
    - educationdata 7y ago
      If what you said is true, I would definitely have seen fascist videos, but I haven't. I really doubt your theory.
  - eropple 7y ago
    It's a correlative algorithm. If a lot of people into video games and history watch X, it will recommend X to you. And it turns out that the community of active, engaged video games folk have a lot of chuds who are all over alt-right-to-fascist video content.
  - yellowapple 7y ago
    Right, which means if someone in some other site linked to one of those videos and I clicked on it out of curiosity (or - more recently in my case - to pick it apart in yet another online argument), guess what kind of videos are going to spam my recommendations for months on end?
eropple 7y ago
I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop because 1) he has been banned, and 2) dear Carl is now running for the European Parliament as a member of literal-fascist Ukip.
- DuskStar 7y ago
  But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. It's always better to understand your enemies before you start to insult them. Otherwise your insults just increase polarization, because while people who agree with you will find them obviously true... People on the other side will find them objectively false. And we don't need more polarization nowadays. > inherent beliefs of racial superiority IMO painting all belief in racial differences as racist/fascist (which is what this tends to devolve into) is a great way to ignore actual problems. Problems like medicines being tested on populations of primarily white men and women not always working for african americans or other groups... And of course this is an area where one side is politically correct (no differences below the skin) and another is factually correct (different ethnic groups have significant differences in susceptibility to disease, athletic performance, etc).
  - eropple 7y ago
    > But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. Let's assume for a second that Carlgon isn't the misogynistic white supremacist charmer--he of the "I wouldn't even rape her" so recently, lest we forget--that he's made sure everybody knows he is. Let's assume that you are correct and that, gosh, he just doesn't like EU membership. Let's assume all of that. Do you know the term for somebody who works with fascists to achieve their goals? A fascist. This stuff just ain't that hard.

yellowapple 7y ago

> I haven't seen any fascist video on YouTube The Recommendation Algorithm Gods have been kind to you, then. Not all of us are so fortunate.

educationdata 7y ago
OK. I believe that. But does this mean you watched fascist video by yourself, otherwise YouTube wouldn't recommend those videos to you, right?
- dx87 7y ago
  No, that's not how their algorithm works. I can't find the link now, but a former employee said that their algorithm is designed to keep you engaged with the site, and that typically involves directing you to more and more extreme versions of the previous videos. For example, if you were to watch a video about mainstream rock and continually follow YouTube's recommendations at the end of the videos, you'd end up at videos about death metal, or other niche genres. It does the same thing with politics; you can start out watching a Bernie Sanders video and end up at videos promoting full on socialism, or watch a video about increasing border security and end up at videos about immigrants ruining the country.
  - educationdata 7y ago
    If what you said is true, I would definitely have seen fascist videos, but I haven't. I really doubt your theory.
- eropple 7y ago
  It's a correlative algorithm. If a lot of people into video games and history watch X, it will recommend X to you. And it turns out that the community of active, engaged video games folk have a lot of chuds who are all over alt-right-to-fascist video content.
- yellowapple 7y ago
  Right, which means if someone in some other site linked to one of those videos and I clicked on it out of curiosity (or - more recently in my case - to pick it apart in yet another online argument), guess what kind of videos are going to spam my recommendations for months on end?

eropple 7y ago

I define "fascist" much as Ian Danskin does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ&index=9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Luu1Beb8ng&list=PLJA_jUddXv... Its critical aspects include inherent beliefs of racial superiority and the need to "recapture" a great society lost. And there are plenty on YouTube with large followings. Though some have been banned since. Chud Supreme Carl, "Sargon of Akkad", comes to mind as an example, and one I'm willing to namedrop because 1) he has been banned, and 2) dear Carl is now running for the European Parliament as a member of literal-fascist Ukip.

DuskStar 7y ago
But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. It's always better to understand your enemies before you start to insult them. Otherwise your insults just increase polarization, because while people who agree with you will find them obviously true... People on the other side will find them objectively false. And we don't need more polarization nowadays. > inherent beliefs of racial superiority IMO painting all belief in racial differences as racist/fascist (which is what this tends to devolve into) is a great way to ignore actual problems. Problems like medicines being tested on populations of primarily white men and women not always working for african americans or other groups... And of course this is an area where one side is politically correct (no differences below the skin) and another is factually correct (different ethnic groups have significant differences in susceptibility to disease, athletic performance, etc).
- eropple 7y ago
  > But from "Sargon's" perspective, UKIP isn't fascist - it's the party attempting to remove the UK from the growing, minimally accountable supreme bureaucracy known as the EU. Let's assume for a second that Carlgon isn't the misogynistic white supremacist charmer--he of the "I wouldn't even rape her" so recently, lest we forget--that he's made sure everybody knows he is. Let's assume that you are correct and that, gosh, he just doesn't like EU membership. Let's assume all of that. Do you know the term for somebody who works with fascists to achieve their goals? A fascist. This stuff just ain't that hard.