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I lived in Italy for many years, and one of the more dismaying aspects of the culture is how much some people still identify with actual fascists and communists
by davidw 8y ago
I lived in Italy for many years, and one of the more dismaying aspects of the culture is how much some people still identify with actual fascists and communists. They're both terrible ideas that should be widely repudiated by both left and right.
- CalChris 8y agoThe Brigate Rossa was, like the Baader Meinhof Gang, just evil. But as I recall, the Communists (PCI) by the 90s were just another left wing party, democratic socialist. I think they even changed their name.
- davidw 8y agoI recall rallies where they or someone related was still waving their hammer and sickle flag around. Italy certainly has its share of modern center-left people, but it still has outright communists as well.
- opportune 8y agoI don't really understand why you're writing as if people who want to eliminate minorities are as bad as people who want to eliminate inequality. It's not relevant
- stale2002 8y ago> as people who want to eliminate inequality Communists eliminated a whole heck of a lot of minorities. Also, the only group that killed more communists than the Nazis, were other communists themselves. I'm sure Nazis themselves would make the same argument as you, about how they actually just support "traditionalist culture" or whatever. But we know what really happened. Same argument applies to communists.
- sridca 8y agoThese blanket statements would seem less provocative and more convincing if you backed them up with reliable references.
- stale2002 8y agoSure. Leftist violence against other leftists is well documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_uprisings_against_the_Bolsheviks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-wing_uprisings_against_th... Usually one of the first thing that communists do once they are in power is crush the anarchists, and other competing leftist movements. None of this is controversial. Soviet repression of gay people was also well documented, as well as Cuban repression/murder of it's gay population. https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-castros-horrific-record-on-gay-rights https://www.thedailybeast.com/fidel-castros-horrific-record-...
- dang 8y agoPlease do not take HN into generic ideological flamewars. They're boring, they spread, and we don't want them here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- nv-vn 8y ago"I don't really understand why you're writing as if people who want to eliminate babies are as bad as people who want to eliminate abortions" -- A pro-lifer, probably