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> "Don't be shy, no time for false modesty, it may cost a life." Or it may cost the rescuer quite a bit when a woman regains consciousness half-naked with a ma

> "Don't be shy, no time for false modesty, it may cost a life." Or it may cost the rescuer quite a bit when a woman regains consciousness half-naked with a man on top of her.

johnmaguire2013 7y ago
Yeah, it's no surprise this isn't taught in the US...
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  It's not usually taught, I think, because if you dony have a knife (which is what professional rescuers will use if they need to do this), removing clothes tends to add delay and also involve moving the subject, both of which are strongly contraindicated in most circumstances where a lay rescuers needs to use CPR in the first place.
Thiez 7y ago
The man has a pretty good explanation in that case, iff there was a good reason to administer CPR. So what would it cost the rescuer, exactly? Unless you start undressing every unconscious woman you encounter, even if they seem to have no other problems...
- tempestn 7y ago
  People have been sued for injuries caused while performing CPR, so I could certainly imagine someone being sued for undressing a person (without their consent, obviously) to perform CPR.
  - verall 7y ago
    Do you have a link for that? Every time I look into one of these/similar stories it is a shitty insurance company either heavily encouraging or basically forcing the suit if the person wants to be covered for their injuries at all.
  - Thiez 7y ago
    You can sue anyone for just about anything. But it doesn't seem like a very winnable case to me. Maybe in some crazy jurisdictions. Many places have 'good Samaritan' laws that protect people who are not medical professionals when they cause injuries during a good faith attempt to safe someone's life. I would assume injuries to someone's modesty are included... At the end of the day, would you rather let a woman in need of CPR die because you are afraid of maybe getting sued, with an even smaller chance of a conviction?
    - tempestn 7y ago
      Of course, I agree. My point was just that it's not like my grandparent's suggestion that there could be consequences for the rescuer is unheard of.
    - c0vfefe 7y ago
      There's also the court of public opinion to consider, in which actual legal standing is irrelevant. Small comfort if you successfully rebuff a suit but lose your reputation in the process.
      - tempestn 7y ago
        Not to mention the hassle and expense of defending yourself.
  - blattimwind 7y ago
    In Germany not performing what we call "lebensrettende Sofortmaßnahmen" (stable side position, clearing airways, CPR) is (at least technically) criminally liable to § 323c StGB. I shall also point out that first responders have some legal protections and insurance.
pvaldes 7y ago
This should not happen. Another rule is that you must not to put yourself on top of the victim or walk crossing over the body of other people. Is disrespectful and can be dangerous also. You have to sidestep it and approach from one of the sides.
- c0vfefe 7y ago
  Somehow I doubt that a side position would substantially improve the situation for either party if the woman still feels violated.
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    I understand how social rules about touching other people can differ in different cultures, but a side position looks clearly different to a "riding" position to me in this sense. People feel often ashamed, can feel humiliated, violated, happy, sad, or anything their want, but they have to understand that CPR means that 1) you life is at risk and 2) some stranger(s) will put their mouth in yours and their hands near your breasts for some time. Period of time that can last for many minutes or even hours. Often longer than the duration of most violations. There is often a legal obligation to do it for some people. To pass and quit the area is not an option. Sorry but there is no time to find a young sexually acceptable partner for you to happily wake up in her/his arms and upload your booze adventure to instagram, forever-happy style. Deal with it. There is nothing sexually arousing in the experience for the rescuers about your vomit taste or about your body leaking different kinds of fluids over yourself. Not even remotely.

> "Don't be shy, no time for false modesty, it may cost a life." Or it may cost the rescuer quite a bit when a woman regains consciousness half-naked with a man on top of her.

johnmaguire2013 7y ago

Yeah, it's no surprise this isn't taught in the US...

dragonwriter 7y ago
It's not usually taught, I think, because if you dony have a knife (which is what professional rescuers will use if they need to do this), removing clothes tends to add delay and also involve moving the subject, both of which are strongly contraindicated in most circumstances where a lay rescuers needs to use CPR in the first place.

Thiez 7y ago

The man has a pretty good explanation in that case, iff there was a good reason to administer CPR. So what would it cost the rescuer, exactly? Unless you start undressing every unconscious woman you encounter, even if they seem to have no other problems...

tempestn 7y ago
People have been sued for injuries caused while performing CPR, so I could certainly imagine someone being sued for undressing a person (without their consent, obviously) to perform CPR.
- verall 7y ago
  Do you have a link for that? Every time I look into one of these/similar stories it is a shitty insurance company either heavily encouraging or basically forcing the suit if the person wants to be covered for their injuries at all.
- Thiez 7y ago
  You can sue anyone for just about anything. But it doesn't seem like a very winnable case to me. Maybe in some crazy jurisdictions. Many places have 'good Samaritan' laws that protect people who are not medical professionals when they cause injuries during a good faith attempt to safe someone's life. I would assume injuries to someone's modesty are included... At the end of the day, would you rather let a woman in need of CPR die because you are afraid of maybe getting sued, with an even smaller chance of a conviction?
  - tempestn 7y ago
    Of course, I agree. My point was just that it's not like my grandparent's suggestion that there could be consequences for the rescuer is unheard of.
  - c0vfefe 7y ago
    There's also the court of public opinion to consider, in which actual legal standing is irrelevant. Small comfort if you successfully rebuff a suit but lose your reputation in the process.
    - tempestn 7y ago
      Not to mention the hassle and expense of defending yourself.
- blattimwind 7y ago
  In Germany not performing what we call "lebensrettende Sofortmaßnahmen" (stable side position, clearing airways, CPR) is (at least technically) criminally liable to § 323c StGB. I shall also point out that first responders have some legal protections and insurance.

pvaldes 7y ago

This should not happen. Another rule is that you must not to put yourself on top of the victim or walk crossing over the body of other people. Is disrespectful and can be dangerous also. You have to sidestep it and approach from one of the sides.

c0vfefe 7y ago
Somehow I doubt that a side position would substantially improve the situation for either party if the woman still feels violated.
- pvaldes 7y ago
  I understand how social rules about touching other people can differ in different cultures, but a side position looks clearly different to a "riding" position to me in this sense. People feel often ashamed, can feel humiliated, violated, happy, sad, or anything their want, but they have to understand that CPR means that 1) you life is at risk and 2) some stranger(s) will put their mouth in yours and their hands near your breasts for some time. Period of time that can last for many minutes or even hours. Often longer than the duration of most violations. There is often a legal obligation to do it for some people. To pass and quit the area is not an option. Sorry but there is no time to find a young sexually acceptable partner for you to happily wake up in her/his arms and upload your booze adventure to instagram, forever-happy style. Deal with it. There is nothing sexually arousing in the experience for the rescuers about your vomit taste or about your body leaking different kinds of fluids over yourself. Not even remotely.