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The fact that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are put into concentration camps and the world does nothing is amazing. I think that is how bad the world wants

by gscott 7y ago

The fact that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are put into concentration camps and the world does nothing is amazing. I think that is how bad the world wants cheap stuff.

rocqua 7y ago
Who is doing that, the Chinese? Any terms to search for? This is the first I am hearing of it.
- simantel 7y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
  - AareyBaba 7y ago
    Also nytimes has done several articles. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-detention-camp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-m...
    - taobility 7y ago
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58
ativzzz 7y ago
Nazi Germany had concentration camps as early as 1933 (Dachau) and nobody did anything either until they started invasions and a war. Most genocides have happened as the world watches and says "oh wow that's terrible we should do something" and then do nothing. This is simply how humans behave on an international scale. There is nothing 'amazing' about it.
- philwelch 7y ago
  See also: Armenia, Ukraine, Cambodia, Rwanda...
- sonnyblarney 7y ago
  A) Nobody really knew about such camps. B) The 'final solution' stuff did not happen until much later ie. i) scale and ii) death C) That was in 1930. There was barely radio. There was no 'globalism' or 'global news'. There was no global awareness. What 'went on in Germany' might have been going on on mars. It's 2019 now, China has no excuse, and we have no excuse.
  - serf 7y ago
    >It's 2019 now, China has no excuse, and we have no excuse. Well, I guess the question is : if things were so much different in the 30s, and it was stalled by the lack of global information awareness, why are we (humans on earth) complicit with the camps that exist now-a-days (and in more places than just China.)?
    - sonnyblarney 7y ago
      First - I don't think there is anything comparable to what is going on in China right now. The scale of it - 100 000's to millions - and arbitrary detention based on ethnicity. There are some 'dark spots' in the world where this happens, but there, it's chaos: Syria, Congo, Somalia. The reason we don't hear about it from China is exactly the basis of the article: China has everyone in fear of them. China speaks with one voice, the West with thousands: political leaders, CEO's, NGOs, deans of big schools - in the West nobody really has that much power - and China is hyper aggressive in pursuing their power everywhere, and in everything. CEO's will never hint a word, they don't need to be told to shut up because they want money. Politicians, sadly are spooked, mostly for economic reasons as well. Governments are very afraid to speak out due to fear or the response. Germany sells a lot of high end gear to China. Airlines that use the actual name of Taiwan for example are threatened with not being able to fly in China. The head of the student union at Ryserson in Toronto is Tibetan, and this drew mass outrage from the Chines 'expat' community, it was fierce and organized from back home. Consider that 'Tibet' used to be a huge thing in Hollywood/Cali 20 years ago, now magically everyone has just 'shut up' about it. If any political group or state even mentions the Dalai Lama, China screams. So we haven't heard about him in a while. Almost everyone is afraid to speak out, so it only happens behind closed doors. Trump, oddly, is one of the few people with both the power and wherewithal to say things but I don't think he cares: if negotiations are going bad with China he'll scream murder, if negotiations are going well, he'll talk about China as such a great partner in peace etc.. The issue of the concentration camps in China is met with strong force and intimidation the world over. And sadly, it's pretty easy not to care.
camel_Snake 7y ago
Notably, this was a part of the episode where the cartoon was censored.
icelancer 7y ago
I feel the same way about North Korean work camps. People are not going to look kindly at this time in history when the world just allowed that to happen.
taobility 7y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58

by gscott 7y ago

The fact that hundreds of thousands of Muslims are put into concentration camps and the world does nothing is amazing. I think that is how bad the world wants cheap stuff.

rocqua 7y ago

Who is doing that, the Chinese? Any terms to search for? This is the first I am hearing of it.

simantel 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
- AareyBaba 7y ago
  Also nytimes has done several articles. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-detention-camp.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/08/world/asia/china-uighur-m...
  - taobility 7y ago
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58

ativzzz 7y ago

Nazi Germany had concentration camps as early as 1933 (Dachau) and nobody did anything either until they started invasions and a war. Most genocides have happened as the world watches and says "oh wow that's terrible we should do something" and then do nothing. This is simply how humans behave on an international scale. There is nothing 'amazing' about it.

philwelch 7y ago
See also: Armenia, Ukraine, Cambodia, Rwanda...
sonnyblarney 7y ago
A) Nobody really knew about such camps. B) The 'final solution' stuff did not happen until much later ie. i) scale and ii) death C) That was in 1930. There was barely radio. There was no 'globalism' or 'global news'. There was no global awareness. What 'went on in Germany' might have been going on on mars. It's 2019 now, China has no excuse, and we have no excuse.
- serf 7y ago
  >It's 2019 now, China has no excuse, and we have no excuse. Well, I guess the question is : if things were so much different in the 30s, and it was stalled by the lack of global information awareness, why are we (humans on earth) complicit with the camps that exist now-a-days (and in more places than just China.)?
  - sonnyblarney 7y ago
    First - I don't think there is anything comparable to what is going on in China right now. The scale of it - 100 000's to millions - and arbitrary detention based on ethnicity. There are some 'dark spots' in the world where this happens, but there, it's chaos: Syria, Congo, Somalia. The reason we don't hear about it from China is exactly the basis of the article: China has everyone in fear of them. China speaks with one voice, the West with thousands: political leaders, CEO's, NGOs, deans of big schools - in the West nobody really has that much power - and China is hyper aggressive in pursuing their power everywhere, and in everything. CEO's will never hint a word, they don't need to be told to shut up because they want money. Politicians, sadly are spooked, mostly for economic reasons as well. Governments are very afraid to speak out due to fear or the response. Germany sells a lot of high end gear to China. Airlines that use the actual name of Taiwan for example are threatened with not being able to fly in China. The head of the student union at Ryserson in Toronto is Tibetan, and this drew mass outrage from the Chines 'expat' community, it was fierce and organized from back home. Consider that 'Tibet' used to be a huge thing in Hollywood/Cali 20 years ago, now magically everyone has just 'shut up' about it. If any political group or state even mentions the Dalai Lama, China screams. So we haven't heard about him in a while. Almost everyone is afraid to speak out, so it only happens behind closed doors. Trump, oddly, is one of the few people with both the power and wherewithal to say things but I don't think he cares: if negotiations are going bad with China he'll scream murder, if negotiations are going well, he'll talk about China as such a great partner in peace etc.. The issue of the concentration camps in China is met with strong force and intimidation the world over. And sadly, it's pretty easy not to care.

camel_Snake 7y ago

Notably, this was a part of the episode where the cartoon was censored.

icelancer 7y ago

I feel the same way about North Korean work camps. People are not going to look kindly at this time in history when the world just allowed that to happen.

taobility 7y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xyMloesl58