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"no need to get all SJW about it" I cannot express how much I detest this phrase or the similarly vile German equivalent 'Gutmensch'. Turning the good impetus

"no need to get all SJW about it" I cannot express how much I detest this phrase or the similarly vile German equivalent 'Gutmensch'. Turning the good impetus or empathy into something negative is just evil. One should really rethink the use of the term. Not to say the 'toxic masculinity' is not a terrible term as well since it can easily be misunderstood as (any) masculinity being toxic -- not just exaggerated, testosterone-overcharged masculinity.

akuchling 7y ago
It can easily be "misunderstood" by people arguing in bad faith, but that's true of any term; "toxic masculinity" remains a useful phrase for referring to a particular set of beliefs and behaviours.
- falcolas 7y ago
  As is "Social Justice Warrior". Both terms were created to identify certain behaviors and categorize them in a negative light. You can't praise one while condemning the other.
sonnyblarney 7y ago
"Turning the good impetus or empathy into something negative is just evil. One should really rethink the use of the term." Consider that people commonly wag their fingers and take the moral high ground from their armchairs because it's easy, or they want click bait. It's very common. This article is the perfect example: rejecting a water brand aimed at the punk style because it's 'toxically masculine' is utterly ridiculous. And FYI 'toxic masculinity' is a bigoted, cis-phobic and misandrist concept to begin with - let alone discussing serious issues such as sexual assault, we're talking about water for gosh sakes. The world is full of people building an identity of being 'holier than though' it's why actors/actresses build a public image and brand often by supporting some specific cause that they ostensibly 'care' about. 'Saying you care' about something is basically meaningless, what matters are those who 'do something' about it. Famous leaders, business leaders, politicians - all are caught in a game of having to appear moral, which is why the end up usually talking far beyond their material, real claims to making the world a better place. Everyone wins a few social points by seeming moral, or righteous, and it's just too easy to find something arbitrary somewhere and condemn it for some arbitrary reason. We're talking about water. Edit: if we're going to take a legit run at this brand it could be with regards to packaging, or the blatantly ridiculous nature of branding H20 (... even thought it will probably work!)

akuchling 7y ago

It can easily be "misunderstood" by people arguing in bad faith, but that's true of any term; "toxic masculinity" remains a useful phrase for referring to a particular set of beliefs and behaviours.

falcolas 7y ago
As is "Social Justice Warrior". Both terms were created to identify certain behaviors and categorize them in a negative light. You can't praise one while condemning the other.

sonnyblarney 7y ago

"Turning the good impetus or empathy into something negative is just evil. One should really rethink the use of the term." Consider that people commonly wag their fingers and take the moral high ground from their armchairs because it's easy, or they want click bait. It's very common. This article is the perfect example: rejecting a water brand aimed at the punk style because it's 'toxically masculine' is utterly ridiculous. And FYI 'toxic masculinity' is a bigoted, cis-phobic and misandrist concept to begin with - let alone discussing serious issues such as sexual assault, we're talking about water for gosh sakes. The world is full of people building an identity of being 'holier than though' it's why actors/actresses build a public image and brand often by supporting some specific cause that they ostensibly 'care' about. 'Saying you care' about something is basically meaningless, what matters are those who 'do something' about it. Famous leaders, business leaders, politicians - all are caught in a game of having to appear moral, which is why the end up usually talking far beyond their material, real claims to making the world a better place. Everyone wins a few social points by seeming moral, or righteous, and it's just too easy to find something arbitrary somewhere and condemn it for some arbitrary reason. We're talking about water. Edit: if we're going to take a legit run at this brand it could be with regards to packaging, or the blatantly ridiculous nature of branding H20 (... even thought it will probably work!)