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So basically China's stance is, we cannot change our laws so our bad trading practices must remain in place? While we only get news of trade imbalances between

So basically China's stance is, we cannot change our laws so our bad trading practices must remain in place? While we only get news of trade imbalances between US and China to include all their tariffs and restrictions can someone for the EU or elsewhere chime in with how their nations fare?

baybal2 7y ago
> So basically China's stance is, we cannot change our laws so our bad trading practices must remain in place? China's, or better said Liu He's, stance is "we will not do anything if it has chance to blew into Xi Jinping's face" Xi brandished how he tames "capitalist tigers" by wholly appropriating the credit for the trade deal. Now he is being made to look stupid with a single twiter post. It is likely he will not touch the talks personally out of fear for more embarrassment Liu He might be only a fourth vice premier in line, but only one Xi has personal ties to.
- gdsdfe 7y ago
  I feel like none knows how to deal with the Chinese, there's a cultural gap that the US and Europe are not accounting for, the Chinese care a lot about saving face and status
  - baybal2 7y ago
    To me it feels like Trump did it more or less intentionally. He seem to know that behind a stone faced facade, Xi is an anxious and insecure person — the same 7th grader he was when his family was purged.
    - ethbro 7y ago
      How could you not be anxious as a Chinese politician? In Western democracies, if you lose political power at worst you get indicted (and usually pardoned). Half of the country still likes you. In China, you face serious prison time, your family's assets are seized, you're expelled from politics, and media runs a solid month of anti-you propaganda. Harsh consequences for what many times is a roll of the dice.
    - jggreg 7y ago
      Oh please. Trump is an absolute fucking moron and everything he has done has been failing upwards.
      - deleted 7y ago
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      - dang 7y ago
        Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's what we're trying to not do here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html p.s. Could you please not routinely create accounts? That's not allowed here, except for occasionally when posting sensitive information. For more information on this, I've posted a bunch about it: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20community%20identity https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...
maxxxxx 7y ago
“So basically China's stance is, we cannot change our laws so our bad trading practices must remain in place? ” Reminds me of a lot of corporations. “This doesn’t make sense but it’s policy”. Never mind that they wrote the policy themselves.
- jvanderbot 7y ago
  "this is not profitable so it should not be law". Yeah I've heard that plenty over here in the US.

baybal2 7y ago

> So basically China's stance is, we cannot change our laws so our bad trading practices must remain in place? China's, or better said Liu He's, stance is "we will not do anything if it has chance to blew into Xi Jinping's face" Xi brandished how he tames "capitalist tigers" by wholly appropriating the credit for the trade deal. Now he is being made to look stupid with a single twiter post. It is likely he will not touch the talks personally out of fear for more embarrassment Liu He might be only a fourth vice premier in line, but only one Xi has personal ties to.

gdsdfe 7y ago
I feel like none knows how to deal with the Chinese, there's a cultural gap that the US and Europe are not accounting for, the Chinese care a lot about saving face and status
- baybal2 7y ago
  To me it feels like Trump did it more or less intentionally. He seem to know that behind a stone faced facade, Xi is an anxious and insecure person — the same 7th grader he was when his family was purged.
  - ethbro 7y ago
    How could you not be anxious as a Chinese politician? In Western democracies, if you lose political power at worst you get indicted (and usually pardoned). Half of the country still likes you. In China, you face serious prison time, your family's assets are seized, you're expelled from politics, and media runs a solid month of anti-you propaganda. Harsh consequences for what many times is a roll of the dice.
  - jggreg 7y ago
    Oh please. Trump is an absolute fucking moron and everything he has done has been failing upwards.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar. It's what we're trying to not do here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html p.s. Could you please not routinely create accounts? That's not allowed here, except for occasionally when posting sensitive information. For more information on this, I've posted a bunch about it: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=by:dang%20community%20identity https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

maxxxxx 7y ago

“So basically China's stance is, we cannot change our laws so our bad trading practices must remain in place? ” Reminds me of a lot of corporations. “This doesn’t make sense but it’s policy”. Never mind that they wrote the policy themselves.

jvanderbot 7y ago
"this is not profitable so it should not be law". Yeah I've heard that plenty over here in the US.