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Yes, it's a helping profession. The goal is to form models of mind to be used to help people feel/live better. Not to understand the brain. That's why you can

by megous 8y ago

Yes, it's a helping profession. The goal is to form models of mind to be used to help people feel/live better. Not to understand the brain. That's why you can have multitudes of wildly conflicting theories and schools of psychotherapy, where most of them work to achieve the goal of wellbeing, but none of which achieve understanding of how human brain works. (of course, some pretend they do, and try to portray this to the patients - as if the ideology the school of therpay holds is the truth about the human brain) There's nice discussion of this in the book "Health & Suffering in America by R. T. Fancher"

ntoll 8y ago
Beautifully put. Thank you.
Retra 8y ago
Psychiatry is not the same thing as psychology.
- megous 8y ago
  Well, obvious. For context - the article is about therapy. The book is mostly about therapeutic schools too. Also I said nothing about psychiatry. The book is mostly about historical context of psychological treatment in america and a critique of when people in helping professions jump from "our techniques help people" to "therefore the theoretical basis for our techniques is the truth"
feelthedata 8y ago
> That's why you can have multitudes of wildly conflicting theories and schools of psychotherapy, where most of them work to achieve the goal of wellbeing, but none of which achieve understanding of how human brain works. (of course, some pretend they do, and try to portray this to the patients - as if the ideology the school of therpay holds is the truth about the human brain) There's not yet a Wikipedia page for "Computational Psychiatry". I guess that very definable category of psychiatry doesn't like to publish. Are transference and countertransference of traits like extraversion a result of the (indeed widely varying) therapeutic methods or the result of just spending some quality time together rewarding self-focus and insight? There may be some quantifiable rejections of guesstulative models of cognition (and personality!) available due to advances in neuroimaging which are enabling computational neuroscience (which does have a Wikipedia page for it) Computational neuroscience: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_neuroscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_neuroscience > Computational neuroscience (also known as theoretical neuroscience or mathematical neuroscience) is a branch of neuroscience which employs mathematical models, theoretical analysis and abstractions of the brain to understand the principles that govern the development, structure, physiology and cognitive abilities of the nervous system. Clean Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Language > As James Lawley and Penny Tompkins describe it, Grove realized many clients were describing their symptoms in metaphors drawn from the exact words of previous therapists, instead of from their own experience There, that should help with the disinhibition and extraversion.
- feelthedata 8y ago
  "And where is the past in relation to us?"

by megous 8y ago

ntoll 8y ago

Beautifully put. Thank you.

Retra 8y ago

Psychiatry is not the same thing as psychology.

megous 8y ago
Well, obvious. For context - the article is about therapy. The book is mostly about therapeutic schools too. Also I said nothing about psychiatry. The book is mostly about historical context of psychological treatment in america and a critique of when people in helping professions jump from "our techniques help people" to "therefore the theoretical basis for our techniques is the truth"

feelthedata 8y ago

> That's why you can have multitudes of wildly conflicting theories and schools of psychotherapy, where most of them work to achieve the goal of wellbeing, but none of which achieve understanding of how human brain works. (of course, some pretend they do, and try to portray this to the patients - as if the ideology the school of therpay holds is the truth about the human brain) There's not yet a Wikipedia page for "Computational Psychiatry". I guess that very definable category of psychiatry doesn't like to publish. Are transference and countertransference of traits like extraversion a result of the (indeed widely varying) therapeutic methods or the result of just spending some quality time together rewarding self-focus and insight? There may be some quantifiable rejections of guesstulative models of cognition (and personality!) available due to advances in neuroimaging which are enabling computational neuroscience (which does have a Wikipedia page for it) Computational neuroscience: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_neuroscience https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computational_neuroscience > Computational neuroscience (also known as theoretical neuroscience or mathematical neuroscience) is a branch of neuroscience which employs mathematical models, theoretical analysis and abstractions of the brain to understand the principles that govern the development, structure, physiology and cognitive abilities of the nervous system. Clean Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_Language > As James Lawley and Penny Tompkins describe it, Grove realized many clients were describing their symptoms in metaphors drawn from the exact words of previous therapists, instead of from their own experience There, that should help with the disinhibition and extraversion.

feelthedata 8y ago
"And where is the past in relation to us?"