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Except that in this case his life is being uprooted due to the power the company wields over his life. Citizenship (or at least a green card) should be his rew

Except that in this case his life is being uprooted due to the power the company wields over his life. Citizenship (or at least a green card) should be his reward.

ptaipale 7y ago
My point was that the same is probably the case with many among these 4,000.
- hello_friendos 7y ago
  They all exposed that GM lied? No, they didn't
  - ptaipale 7y ago
    Did GM lie? I know some people did accuse GM of emission cheating, but haven't heard of any actual proof.
- vsskanth 7y ago
  I believe the point here is some of these 4000 now have to entirely uproot their life by having to leave the country. The part that makes it tragic is that these people have no chance of getting a green card in their lifetime and have to be at the mercy of corporations to maintain their temporary visa status simply due to their nationality, no matter how long they have been staying or working. Getting laid off is an unfortunate reality that happens to people now and then. It becomes especially nerve-wracking when it is tied to your ability to reside in a place without having enough time to find alternate employment.
  - magduf 7y ago
    It sucks, but these people are not citizens in the country they work in, so I don't see how they have any kind of right to stay here. They're only here because the government here allowed it, for a while, with a temporary worker visa. Now, it seems pretty obvious to me that these people are probably much more productive and better contributors to this country and its economy than most of our own natural-born citizens, but the fact that we're losing them means we're basically shooting ourselves in the foot. The US isn't the only country where skilled engineers can find good work; these people should be able to find good jobs in another country where they can get a better deal w.r.t. immigration. Germany seems like it's much more welcoming to highly-skilled immigrants, for instance. I think this should be a cautionary tale to skilled immigrants.
    - ptaipale 7y ago
      I look at this from a different angle, and to me the U.S. seems very welcoming to highly-skilled immigrants. They are very well-paid from European point of view, not to mention others, and the society in general is used to absorbing immigrant workers. Germany and other EU countries have expressed their welcoming attitude to immigrants in general ("Wir schaffen das"), often exaggerating the skills of people who actually had no relevant training or competence at all (plenty of quotes available for this). But the current discussion in EU about the recent immigration wave has turned into a blame game of "why does Eastern Europe not carry its share of the burden".
      - magduf 7y ago
        >I look at this from a different angle, and to me the U.S. seems very welcoming to highly-skilled immigrants. That was before Trump was elected.
cptskippy 7y ago
The implication from the title is that his role in the scandal is what lead to his layoff or that his role in the scandal should have saved him from being laid off.

Except that in this case his life is being uprooted due to the power the company wields over his life. Citizenship (or at least a green card) should be his reward.

ptaipale 7y ago

My point was that the same is probably the case with many among these 4,000.

hello_friendos 7y ago
They all exposed that GM lied? No, they didn't
- ptaipale 7y ago
  Did GM lie? I know some people did accuse GM of emission cheating, but haven't heard of any actual proof.
vsskanth 7y ago
I believe the point here is some of these 4000 now have to entirely uproot their life by having to leave the country. The part that makes it tragic is that these people have no chance of getting a green card in their lifetime and have to be at the mercy of corporations to maintain their temporary visa status simply due to their nationality, no matter how long they have been staying or working. Getting laid off is an unfortunate reality that happens to people now and then. It becomes especially nerve-wracking when it is tied to your ability to reside in a place without having enough time to find alternate employment.
- magduf 7y ago
  It sucks, but these people are not citizens in the country they work in, so I don't see how they have any kind of right to stay here. They're only here because the government here allowed it, for a while, with a temporary worker visa. Now, it seems pretty obvious to me that these people are probably much more productive and better contributors to this country and its economy than most of our own natural-born citizens, but the fact that we're losing them means we're basically shooting ourselves in the foot. The US isn't the only country where skilled engineers can find good work; these people should be able to find good jobs in another country where they can get a better deal w.r.t. immigration. Germany seems like it's much more welcoming to highly-skilled immigrants, for instance. I think this should be a cautionary tale to skilled immigrants.
  - ptaipale 7y ago
    I look at this from a different angle, and to me the U.S. seems very welcoming to highly-skilled immigrants. They are very well-paid from European point of view, not to mention others, and the society in general is used to absorbing immigrant workers. Germany and other EU countries have expressed their welcoming attitude to immigrants in general ("Wir schaffen das"), often exaggerating the skills of people who actually had no relevant training or competence at all (plenty of quotes available for this). But the current discussion in EU about the recent immigration wave has turned into a blame game of "why does Eastern Europe not carry its share of the burden".
    - magduf 7y ago
      >I look at this from a different angle, and to me the U.S. seems very welcoming to highly-skilled immigrants. That was before Trump was elected.

cptskippy 7y ago

The implication from the title is that his role in the scandal is what lead to his layoff or that his role in the scandal should have saved him from being laid off.