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I was a bit shocked to see the author using the gui :) If you're already into Emacs the David O'Toole is better imho https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org

by tangue 7y ago

I was a bit shocked to see the author using the gui :) If you're already into Emacs the David O'Toole is better imho https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/orgtutorial_dto.html https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/orgtutorial_dto.html

appsonthemove 7y ago
There are so many fantastic Org mode tutorials for users already familiar with Emacs. My goal here was to show users who've never touched Emacs before - and might be a little scared of it! - that it isn't really that hard. Most tutorials I've seen jump straight into configuring the agenda keyboard shortcut in a users Emacs configuration file. This would put the uses I'm trying to reach off straight away. I intend a follow up article where keyboard shortcuts are used - and enforce they are a big part of the reason that Org mode can be so much more efficient than other task management solutions.
- gnufied 7y ago
  Of all the org mode apps, I like UI and ux of beorg most. But since I have android as my main device, 8 can't use it. Any plans for android port?
  - appsonthemove 7y ago
    It's unlikely I will do an Android port any time soon - the likelihood is that beorg will stay iOS only. Orgzly is a great app for Android.
  - bloopernova 7y ago
    Seconding Orgzly for Android, I use it every day and it's very reliable and straightforward to use.
  - zenlot 7y ago
    Or you can use: Termux and Emacs in Android
- georgebcrawford 7y ago
  I very much appreciate the approach! While I wouldn't say I was scared per se, I definitely ran up against the learning curve. I'll get going with org mode again asap.
- mark_l_watson 7y ago
  Nice write up! I have been using Emacs for several decades but I am a novice at org mode. Your article is at the right level of detail for Emacs newbies. Off topic, but: as another commenter mentioned, iOS is a pain point for me also. Best I can do is keep .org files in DropBox and edit/view using Textastic.
  - ashton314 7y ago
    Have you seen the Beorg app for iOS? This post is on the app’s website, though it’s not obvious. :) I’ve been using Beorg for a few months now and it is simply the BEST. Very active development, feature rich, slick UI, flexible syncing, etc.
    - mercer 7y ago
      I gave a big fat donation right before the creator added paid features, and I'm not even mad. Love the app.
- bloopernova 7y ago
  You did a great job on that article, thank you for writing it!
- tangue 7y ago
  As I read your article and comments I was thinking that it might be interesting to doing the same tut in VS Code (though org-mode was pretty limited in it the last time I tried). It would feel a bit less awkward for the user and you'll do the org community a service by decoupling the org tutorials from Emacs.
RMPR 7y ago
Me too XD
ubermonkey 7y ago
He explicitly states why, so it's weird that it shocks you. ;)
jolmg 7y ago
For me, the main drawback with emacs in the terminal is that Ctrl-Backspace is the same as Ctrl-h. I use both for their separate functions a lot. It's very often that I use Ctrl-Backspace to delete the word I just typed, and C-h to see documentation. I do use emacs in the terminal sometimes and in those cases I use M-b M-d when I want Ctrl-Backspace, but it's not as convenient.
- philsnow 7y ago
  You can configure your terminal to send ^? instead of ^H (and use `stty erase '^?'` to configure your tty), but AFAIK there's no difference in the terminal between holding control while hitting backspace and not holding control (whether you have it set up to send the ^H or ^?), because of how keys map to ascii codes (see [0]). Your terminal either sends ^H (0x08) or ^? (0x3f) (or really anything else you desire, if you can set up your terminal that way) when you hit backspace. control plus either of those keys would mean subtracting 0x40 from them, which is either negative or wraps around for both of them, so it's nonsensical. Whereas, the GUI interprets the keyboard completely differently and allows you to express keys like "control + backspace". This is the main reason I prefer using gui versions of Emacs. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character#How_control_characters_map_to_keyboards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character#How_control_...

by tangue 7y ago

appsonthemove 7y ago

There are so many fantastic Org mode tutorials for users already familiar with Emacs. My goal here was to show users who've never touched Emacs before - and might be a little scared of it! - that it isn't really that hard. Most tutorials I've seen jump straight into configuring the agenda keyboard shortcut in a users Emacs configuration file. This would put the uses I'm trying to reach off straight away. I intend a follow up article where keyboard shortcuts are used - and enforce they are a big part of the reason that Org mode can be so much more efficient than other task management solutions.

gnufied 7y ago
Of all the org mode apps, I like UI and ux of beorg most. But since I have android as my main device, 8 can't use it. Any plans for android port?
- appsonthemove 7y ago
  It's unlikely I will do an Android port any time soon - the likelihood is that beorg will stay iOS only. Orgzly is a great app for Android.
- bloopernova 7y ago
  Seconding Orgzly for Android, I use it every day and it's very reliable and straightforward to use.
- zenlot 7y ago
  Or you can use: Termux and Emacs in Android
georgebcrawford 7y ago
I very much appreciate the approach! While I wouldn't say I was scared per se, I definitely ran up against the learning curve. I'll get going with org mode again asap.
mark_l_watson 7y ago
Nice write up! I have been using Emacs for several decades but I am a novice at org mode. Your article is at the right level of detail for Emacs newbies. Off topic, but: as another commenter mentioned, iOS is a pain point for me also. Best I can do is keep .org files in DropBox and edit/view using Textastic.
- ashton314 7y ago
  Have you seen the Beorg app for iOS? This post is on the app’s website, though it’s not obvious. :) I’ve been using Beorg for a few months now and it is simply the BEST. Very active development, feature rich, slick UI, flexible syncing, etc.
  - mercer 7y ago
    I gave a big fat donation right before the creator added paid features, and I'm not even mad. Love the app.
bloopernova 7y ago
You did a great job on that article, thank you for writing it!
tangue 7y ago
As I read your article and comments I was thinking that it might be interesting to doing the same tut in VS Code (though org-mode was pretty limited in it the last time I tried). It would feel a bit less awkward for the user and you'll do the org community a service by decoupling the org tutorials from Emacs.

RMPR 7y ago

Me too XD

ubermonkey 7y ago

He explicitly states why, so it's weird that it shocks you. ;)

jolmg 7y ago

For me, the main drawback with emacs in the terminal is that Ctrl-Backspace is the same as Ctrl-h. I use both for their separate functions a lot. It's very often that I use Ctrl-Backspace to delete the word I just typed, and C-h to see documentation. I do use emacs in the terminal sometimes and in those cases I use M-b M-d when I want Ctrl-Backspace, but it's not as convenient.

philsnow 7y ago
You can configure your terminal to send ^? instead of ^H (and use `stty erase '^?'` to configure your tty), but AFAIK there's no difference in the terminal between holding control while hitting backspace and not holding control (whether you have it set up to send the ^H or ^?), because of how keys map to ascii codes (see [0]). Your terminal either sends ^H (0x08) or ^? (0x3f) (or really anything else you desire, if you can set up your terminal that way) when you hit backspace. control plus either of those keys would mean subtracting 0x40 from them, which is either negative or wraps around for both of them, so it's nonsensical. Whereas, the GUI interprets the keyboard completely differently and allows you to express keys like "control + backspace". This is the main reason I prefer using gui versions of Emacs. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character#How_control_characters_map_to_keyboards https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_character#How_control_...