The ORM discussion is really just a proxy for "Have you had lots of experience managing data in production" (in which case against ORM), and also "Have you had

The ORM discussion is really just a proxy for "Have you had lots of experience managing data in production" (in which case against ORM), and also "Have you had lots of experience managing data with a team of green engineers" (who most all want to use ORM because it's cool, but also, hell no). Now, about the only way for a developer to understand how awful they are is to really spend some time going all out with them. So my advice would be to embrace ORMs whole heartedly, as soon in your career as possible. As you debug it, you'll learn lots of wonderful things.