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Just wanted to point out - I don't support what Anonymous is doing. These businesses have been given two shitty choices - piss off the online community or piss

Just wanted to point out - I don't support what Anonymous is doing. These businesses have been given two shitty choices - piss off the online community or piss off Governments that can roll them over 1000x worse. And remember, businesses are just people - Anonymous is going to hurt mostly innocent people who work for these companies or work with them, not people who did anything to Assange.

cma 16y ago
the same argument is used by any scab apologist in a labor dispute
- damoncali 16y ago
  and it would be just as valid.
  - cma 16y ago
    It would depend on the circumstances. Let me try again: the same argument could be used to call off the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Btw, I'm not equivocating the two; in fact I'm claiming that the argument (wrongly) does.
- Rhapso 16y ago
  and the logic is just as valid.
  - damoncali 16y ago
    jinx
    - Rhapso 16y ago
      I did feel really awkward posting and seeing you had posted almost the same thing at the same time. Hopefully, great mind think alike.
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Qz 16y ago
Anon isn't doing anything to hurt the people who work for those companies. Those people are paid to handle exactly these kinds of attacks, so if anything Anon is just making sure they're actually earning their paycheck. The fact that there are only two choices and both are shitty is just a symptom of the fact that we are at a transition point in the relationship between government/business/everyone else.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  ...we are at a transition point in the relationship between government/business/everyone else. This transition point is called "history." Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
  - Qz 16y ago
    Of course it's just history, but you can't deny that there are points of inflection with regards to certain aspects, rather than interminable gradual change.
    - stcredzero 16y ago
      Yes, but inflection points like the one we're witnessing now are sprinkled all through the past.
      - Qz 16y ago
        Then I think we're in agreement -- I wasn't trying to say that there was anything particularly special about this one, just that we're in one.
- Aaronontheweb 16y ago
  This is wishful thinking at best and intellectual dishonesty at worst - you're thinking of just the IT people; what about the vendors who depend on MasterCard and can't process payments that they need in order to make payroll? Should we just shrug and say "oh well - at least we're getting internet justice?"
Vivtek 16y ago
And some of those people make scads of money with no repercussions when they do something like cut off a man's legal defense fund. Do you honestly think a DDoS that lasts a day or two is going to cause Visa to have to downsize? What innocent people are possibly going to be harmed? Except for the poor hapless sysadmins over there, who are probably not getting much sleep at the moment.
- Aaronontheweb 16y ago
  It's going to hurt anyone who's dependent upon real-time payments for their cash-flow, which, last I checked, is anyone who runs an online business. Besides, what gives you the right to interfere with their business? They, like any other business, have the right to refuse service to anyone.

cma 16y ago

the same argument is used by any scab apologist in a labor dispute

damoncali 16y ago
and it would be just as valid.
- cma 16y ago
  It would depend on the circumstances. Let me try again: the same argument could be used to call off the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Btw, I'm not equivocating the two; in fact I'm claiming that the argument (wrongly) does.
Rhapso 16y ago
and the logic is just as valid.
- damoncali 16y ago
  jinx
  - Rhapso 16y ago
    I did feel really awkward posting and seeing you had posted almost the same thing at the same time. Hopefully, great mind think alike.

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Qz 16y ago

Anon isn't doing anything to hurt the people who work for those companies. Those people are paid to handle exactly these kinds of attacks, so if anything Anon is just making sure they're actually earning their paycheck. The fact that there are only two choices and both are shitty is just a symptom of the fact that we are at a transition point in the relationship between government/business/everyone else.

stcredzero 16y ago
...we are at a transition point in the relationship between government/business/everyone else. This transition point is called "history." Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
- Qz 16y ago
  Of course it's just history, but you can't deny that there are points of inflection with regards to certain aspects, rather than interminable gradual change.
  - stcredzero 16y ago
    Yes, but inflection points like the one we're witnessing now are sprinkled all through the past.
    - Qz 16y ago
      Then I think we're in agreement -- I wasn't trying to say that there was anything particularly special about this one, just that we're in one.
Aaronontheweb 16y ago
This is wishful thinking at best and intellectual dishonesty at worst - you're thinking of just the IT people; what about the vendors who depend on MasterCard and can't process payments that they need in order to make payroll? Should we just shrug and say "oh well - at least we're getting internet justice?"

Vivtek 16y ago

And some of those people make scads of money with no repercussions when they do something like cut off a man's legal defense fund. Do you honestly think a DDoS that lasts a day or two is going to cause Visa to have to downsize? What innocent people are possibly going to be harmed? Except for the poor hapless sysadmins over there, who are probably not getting much sleep at the moment.

Aaronontheweb 16y ago
It's going to hurt anyone who's dependent upon real-time payments for their cash-flow, which, last I checked, is anyone who runs an online business. Besides, what gives you the right to interfere with their business? They, like any other business, have the right to refuse service to anyone.