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No. There is a lot of reasons to criticize Microsoft but they keep their services/apis alive longer than any other company.

by Rexxar 7y ago

garmaine 7y ago
Not the ones they put up briefly only to rout the competition. The “embrace, extend, extinguish” path. Mind you that’s the old Microsoft. The new Microsoft is totally different.
- masklinn 7y ago
  EEE was a strategy for destroying standards through proprietary extensions: > Extinguish: When extensions become a de facto standard because of their dominant market share, they marginalize competitors that do not or cannot support the new extensions. They didn't shut down services, they'd make previous market leaders irrelevant & alternate implementations difficult to impossible (as they couldn't keep up). Their attitude here would have been to not buy Nest but ship devices reimplementing the Works-With-Nest protocol, then add convenient / useful new features to the protocol in ways difficult for Nest to implement, and finally manage to lock it down such that Nest simply wouldn't be able to use the extensions while retaining compatibility with WwN devices themselves. They'd kill Nest, not the WwN ecosystem.
CaptainZapp 7y ago
<cough> Plays for Sure <cough> But generally speaking I don't disagree with your assessment. It's just that media for hire was never really their strong suit and the Zune was a bit of a joke. Where they must have suffered a world of pain is to keep old software compatible on newer Windows versions and I actually appreciate that.
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  > the Zune was a bit of a joke Spoken like someone who never owned one. The hardware (built by Toshiba) was excellent as was the software - if you avoided the harebrained DRM scheme and loaded your own MP3s.
  - CaptainZapp 7y ago
    Guilty as charged! I got a defense however: You may recall that this completely idiotic DRM implementation allowed to beam a DRMd song up to 3 times to other Zune users. That process was called squirting. One /. commenter suggested that one should imagine Steve Balmer in the process of squirting. Well, that pretty much killed it for me.
telltruth 7y ago
Correct. If you had bought Windows Phone, it still works today. It's unbelievable that they have kept the whole thing running for may be 10,000 people out there.
- omgtehlion 7y ago
  Unfortunately not anymore. You cannot reset your device or add new apps if it is not supporting w10 mobile anymore. Hopefully most wp8 devices can be upgraded but I would not depend on that for long...

No. There is a lot of reasons to criticize Microsoft but they keep their services/apis alive longer than any other company.

by Rexxar 7y ago

No. There is a lot of reasons to criticize Microsoft but they keep their services/apis alive longer than any other company.

garmaine 7y ago

Not the ones they put up briefly only to rout the competition. The “embrace, extend, extinguish” path. Mind you that’s the old Microsoft. The new Microsoft is totally different.

masklinn 7y ago
EEE was a strategy for destroying standards through proprietary extensions: > Extinguish: When extensions become a de facto standard because of their dominant market share, they marginalize competitors that do not or cannot support the new extensions. They didn't shut down services, they'd make previous market leaders irrelevant & alternate implementations difficult to impossible (as they couldn't keep up). Their attitude here would have been to not buy Nest but ship devices reimplementing the Works-With-Nest protocol, then add convenient / useful new features to the protocol in ways difficult for Nest to implement, and finally manage to lock it down such that Nest simply wouldn't be able to use the extensions while retaining compatibility with WwN devices themselves. They'd kill Nest, not the WwN ecosystem.

CaptainZapp 7y ago

<cough> Plays for Sure <cough> But generally speaking I don't disagree with your assessment. It's just that media for hire was never really their strong suit and the Zune was a bit of a joke. Where they must have suffered a world of pain is to keep old software compatible on newer Windows versions and I actually appreciate that.

SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
> the Zune was a bit of a joke Spoken like someone who never owned one. The hardware (built by Toshiba) was excellent as was the software - if you avoided the harebrained DRM scheme and loaded your own MP3s.
- CaptainZapp 7y ago
  Guilty as charged! I got a defense however: You may recall that this completely idiotic DRM implementation allowed to beam a DRMd song up to 3 times to other Zune users. That process was called squirting. One /. commenter suggested that one should imagine Steve Balmer in the process of squirting. Well, that pretty much killed it for me.

telltruth 7y ago

Correct. If you had bought Windows Phone, it still works today. It's unbelievable that they have kept the whole thing running for may be 10,000 people out there.

omgtehlion 7y ago
Unfortunately not anymore. You cannot reset your device or add new apps if it is not supporting w10 mobile anymore. Hopefully most wp8 devices can be upgraded but I would not depend on that for long...