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Flutter for Web is heavily reminiscent of Famous with its custom layout system and off-DOM rendering (or guessing DOM rendering support w/ CSS transforms of div

Flutter for Web is heavily reminiscent of Famous with its custom layout system and off-DOM rendering (or guessing DOM rendering support w/ CSS transforms of divs). To see, just view-source on the NYT demo. Quite divergent from the web platform in my opinion. The fact that they have to re-implement copy and paste (and, accessibility features!) further adds to that: https://medium.com/flutter-io/bringing-flutter-to-the-web-904de05f0df0 https://medium.com/flutter-io/bringing-flutter-to-the-web-90... Quite bizarre compared to the Chrome team "Use the Platform" messaging.

aerovistae 7y ago
God, I totally forgot about Famous. That was honestly one of the weirder things I’ve seen in my years of web development. Such a gorgeous website and yet I never really understood what they were trying to sell me on. So much marketing, such little end result....never went anywhere, never amounted to anything meaningful.
- tlrobinson 7y ago
  Apparently they're still a company, and still a lot of marketing with little end result: https://famous.co/ https://famous.co/
- Andrex 7y ago
  I think one of my first HN comments was meekly raising my hand and asking "OK, but what actually is this?" And getting quite a few (unexpected) upvotes, haha.
wstrange 7y ago
Web development with DOM, CSS, etc. is a morass of complexity. I'm really excited about a fresh approach to UI development. If they can pull it off, it is going to be very compelling. It is going to take an enormous amount of investment. Something like this could only be done by a "FAANG" size company.
- baybal2 7y ago
  Well, not new. They take features of regular toolkits like gtk and qt, claiming them as new, paradigm shifting, bigger than sliced bread things. Except it is still a very early stage product and feature set of one tenth of what QT or GTK would have provided.
  - fwip 7y ago
    Unlike GTK and QT, Flutter targets mobile and web.
    - sbstnb 7y ago
      Mobile: https://www.qt.io/mobile-app-development/ https://www.qt.io/mobile-app-development/ Web: https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_WebAssembly https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_WebAssembly
      - fwip 7y ago
        Huh, good to know.
justinph 7y ago
Try using keyboard navigation or a screen reader on that NYT demo. There isn't a single accessible thing on the page. Not even the logo. You can't even select the text. It's awful.
- Hixie 7y ago
  Odd. Accessibility should work fine. If you can reproduce this, can you file a bug with details of your setup? https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/new?template=BUG.md https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/new?template=BUG.m...
rohan1024 7y ago
I am pretty sure these web apps can't be indexed by google at the moment and am not sure how they are going to solve that.

aerovistae 7y ago

God, I totally forgot about Famous. That was honestly one of the weirder things I’ve seen in my years of web development. Such a gorgeous website and yet I never really understood what they were trying to sell me on. So much marketing, such little end result....never went anywhere, never amounted to anything meaningful.

tlrobinson 7y ago
Apparently they're still a company, and still a lot of marketing with little end result: https://famous.co/ https://famous.co/
Andrex 7y ago
I think one of my first HN comments was meekly raising my hand and asking "OK, but what actually is this?" And getting quite a few (unexpected) upvotes, haha.

wstrange 7y ago

Web development with DOM, CSS, etc. is a morass of complexity. I'm really excited about a fresh approach to UI development. If they can pull it off, it is going to be very compelling. It is going to take an enormous amount of investment. Something like this could only be done by a "FAANG" size company.

baybal2 7y ago
Well, not new. They take features of regular toolkits like gtk and qt, claiming them as new, paradigm shifting, bigger than sliced bread things. Except it is still a very early stage product and feature set of one tenth of what QT or GTK would have provided.
- fwip 7y ago
  Unlike GTK and QT, Flutter targets mobile and web.
  - sbstnb 7y ago
    Mobile: https://www.qt.io/mobile-app-development/ https://www.qt.io/mobile-app-development/ Web: https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_WebAssembly https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_WebAssembly
    - fwip 7y ago
      Huh, good to know.

justinph 7y ago

Try using keyboard navigation or a screen reader on that NYT demo. There isn't a single accessible thing on the page. Not even the logo. You can't even select the text. It's awful.

Hixie 7y ago
Odd. Accessibility should work fine. If you can reproduce this, can you file a bug with details of your setup? https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/new?template=BUG.md https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/new?template=BUG.m...

rohan1024 7y ago

I am pretty sure these web apps can't be indexed by google at the moment and am not sure how they are going to solve that.