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Maybe Wolfram already effectively killed this project. It was actively developed for about 5 years (see https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/graphs/contributors

Maybe Wolfram already effectively killed this project. It was actively developed for about 5 years (see https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/graphs/contributors https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/graphs/contributors), then Wolfram Inc. hired the lead developer 2 years ago, and basically all worked stopped...

ErotemeObelus 7y ago
It appears as if my warning bore out then. It's a good thing they didn't pull the plug on the github page. Now it's possible for someone to carry the torch.
marchairthiel 7y ago
Maybe Wolfram paid him $1 billion for the project...the possibilities are endless...
delhanty 7y ago
I'm confused. The lead developer up until 2 years ago, Angus Griffith's LinkedIn says he's at Google. [0] In April 2016, Angus replied to a comment of mine "Mathics is still maintained. There are currently two of us working on it. The last release was v0.9 in March this year." [1]. The original creator Jan Pöschko's GitHub profile states "JavaScripter making the notebook interface of wolframcloud.com" [2]. His bulk contributions to Mathics stopped in 2012, but he still makes sporadic contributions to Mathics - see here he merged a pull request March 2019 [3] - suggests Wolfram tolerate the existence of Mathics because it's not a serious threat. As the creator of Sage, what's your opinion of the legal risks of creating a Mathematica syntax compatible clone like Mathics in the light of Wolfram Research's fairly aggressive assertion of its IP "rights"? [0] https://www.linkedin.com/in/angus-griffith-093433b0/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/angus-griffith-093433b0/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11465064 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11465064 [2] https://github.com/poeschko https://github.com/poeschko [3] https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/commits?author=poeschko&since=2019-02-28&until=2019-03-31 https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/commits?author=poeschko&s...
- bloaf 7y ago
  I'm going to posit that Mathematica knows that its value proposition is not its syntax.
  - delhanty 7y ago
    Totally agree with that sentiment. It's all the other stuff too. What I'm saying is that a syntax compatible Mathematica clone, with all the other stuff too, ever took off, then Wolfram Research's playbook would be: 1. try and hire the lead developers. 2. if that failed, call in their lawyers and assert their IP rights over the syntax.
- sn6uv 7y ago
  Yes, that's roughly accurate. Jan Pöschko (the creator of Mathics) went to Wolfram in 2012 and I went to Google at the end of 2016. Since then it's been largely unmaintained as I don't have the time to work on it unfortunately
  - delhanty 7y ago
    Thanks for the clarification Angus - appreciated.

ErotemeObelus 7y ago

It appears as if my warning bore out then. It's a good thing they didn't pull the plug on the github page. Now it's possible for someone to carry the torch.

marchairthiel 7y ago

Maybe Wolfram paid him $1 billion for the project...the possibilities are endless...

delhanty 7y ago

I'm confused. The lead developer up until 2 years ago, Angus Griffith's LinkedIn says he's at Google. [0] In April 2016, Angus replied to a comment of mine "Mathics is still maintained. There are currently two of us working on it. The last release was v0.9 in March this year." [1]. The original creator Jan Pöschko's GitHub profile states "JavaScripter making the notebook interface of wolframcloud.com" [2]. His bulk contributions to Mathics stopped in 2012, but he still makes sporadic contributions to Mathics - see here he merged a pull request March 2019 [3] - suggests Wolfram tolerate the existence of Mathics because it's not a serious threat. As the creator of Sage, what's your opinion of the legal risks of creating a Mathematica syntax compatible clone like Mathics in the light of Wolfram Research's fairly aggressive assertion of its IP "rights"? [0] https://www.linkedin.com/in/angus-griffith-093433b0/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/angus-griffith-093433b0/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11465064 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11465064 [2] https://github.com/poeschko https://github.com/poeschko [3] https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/commits?author=poeschko&since=2019-02-28&until=2019-03-31 https://github.com/mathics/Mathics/commits?author=poeschko&s...

bloaf 7y ago
I'm going to posit that Mathematica knows that its value proposition is not its syntax.
- delhanty 7y ago
  Totally agree with that sentiment. It's all the other stuff too. What I'm saying is that a syntax compatible Mathematica clone, with all the other stuff too, ever took off, then Wolfram Research's playbook would be: 1. try and hire the lead developers. 2. if that failed, call in their lawyers and assert their IP rights over the syntax.
sn6uv 7y ago
Yes, that's roughly accurate. Jan Pöschko (the creator of Mathics) went to Wolfram in 2012 and I went to Google at the end of 2016. Since then it's been largely unmaintained as I don't have the time to work on it unfortunately
- delhanty 7y ago
  Thanks for the clarification Angus - appreciated.