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”Well,this is basically lack of trust between you and your devs” It’s pretty amusing how many definitive responses I’m getting from devs who are diagnosing my
by irq11 7y ago
”Well,this is basically lack of trust between you and your devs”
It’s pretty amusing how many definitive responses I’m getting from devs who are diagnosing my problem without any knowledge. It’s also telling how different they are.
Like I said, there are reasons, and I’m aware of them. I’m also fully aware of the technical barriers.
The devs are padding their schedule, and think they’re being clever about it. They are not. Some of it does boil down to trust (i.e. bad history with previous managers), but a lot of it is just that they don’t want to do the thing because it’s less fun than other things, and nobody has ever held them to account in the past. A sufficiently lazy developer
will find endless Legitimate Technical Justifications for not doing something he doesn’t want to do.
I’m not trying to generalize to all developers here, but I do know the people and problem I’m working with.
- watwut 7y agoAre you saying there is trust between you and developers? Cause you surely don't trust them and the way you describe their communication sounds like they don't trust you. Also, if they give you non-padded estimate, that is the one they will occasionally miss, will typical manager of your company force them to work weekends and evenings or otherwise punish them? Or will typical be ok with it and accept it as risk factor? I am asking because the one manager that complained about paddings was the one that took pride in manipulating people into weekends - including by claiming they promised it. I do tight estimates when I know I can be late and generous when I assume it will be law or don't trust management.
- irq11 7y agoRather than second-guessing a total stranger on the internet - concerning a situation about which you know nothing - you would do well to question why you insist on assuming that everyone is as bad as the worst manager you’ve had. To answer your question: no. I don’t do any of that. Also, this situation has nothing to do with aggressive schedules.
- watwut 7y agoSo then what the issue is? Is company loosing money on that project? Wish bigger effectivity? Estimate is just that - padded one makes it safer to plan. Padded one is also trust signal - people can be lazy while making tight estimates they will not make after. Estimate and when it is done are two different categories. That particular manager was not worst.