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Nobody knows for sure since nobody is releasing anything meaningful (the disengagement reports are both voluntary and self-policed, with no standard for what co

Nobody knows for sure since nobody is releasing anything meaningful (the disengagement reports are both voluntary and self-policed, with no standard for what constitutes a reported disengagement), but the general consensus is that Cruise is second behind Waymo.

thenewwazoo 7y ago
This comment should be rated higher. It's exactly true. The data are self-selected and self-reported, and the specific criteria for what qualifies is considered a trade secret.
- repsilat 7y ago
  Anecdotally I see more Cruise cars in SF and more Waymo cars in Mountain View. I heard Cruise doesn't drive on freeways either, and that would affect disengagements per mile quite a bit. Still Cruise's disengagement rate is astonishingly high: 1000 disengagements every 0.19 miles[1], according to the Wall Street Journal ;-). 1: https://i.imgur.com/F0vqDCp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F0vqDCp.jpg
  - MegaButts 7y ago
    That statistic is backwards - they have 0.19 disengagements per 1,000 miles, so roughly 5,000 miles per disengagement. But as previously mentioned, this is a wildly disingenuous number, literally orders of magnitude away from the reality of how their cars are performing on the road today.
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solidasparagus 7y ago
Adding on to this - the self-driving car space is pretty small (in terms of companies with realistic self-driving aspirations) and there's a good amount of movement of employees between companies. While it's hard to make judgements from the reported numbers, the consensus in the space is definitely that the leaders are Waymo followed by Cruise.
haditab 7y ago
Reporting the number of miles driven and the number of disengagements is required by law in CA. It is not voluntary. The reason some larger companies don't have reports is because they either didn't do autonomous testing in CA (many test in AZ) or that they do not consider their tests "autonomous" ( level 4 or above). This is the case for Tesla autopilot.
- hef19898 7y ago
  Thanks for providing additional context

thenewwazoo 7y ago

This comment should be rated higher. It's exactly true. The data are self-selected and self-reported, and the specific criteria for what qualifies is considered a trade secret.

repsilat 7y ago
Anecdotally I see more Cruise cars in SF and more Waymo cars in Mountain View. I heard Cruise doesn't drive on freeways either, and that would affect disengagements per mile quite a bit. Still Cruise's disengagement rate is astonishingly high: 1000 disengagements every 0.19 miles[1], according to the Wall Street Journal ;-). 1: https://i.imgur.com/F0vqDCp.jpg https://i.imgur.com/F0vqDCp.jpg
- MegaButts 7y ago
  That statistic is backwards - they have 0.19 disengagements per 1,000 miles, so roughly 5,000 miles per disengagement. But as previously mentioned, this is a wildly disingenuous number, literally orders of magnitude away from the reality of how their cars are performing on the road today.
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solidasparagus 7y ago

Adding on to this - the self-driving car space is pretty small (in terms of companies with realistic self-driving aspirations) and there's a good amount of movement of employees between companies. While it's hard to make judgements from the reported numbers, the consensus in the space is definitely that the leaders are Waymo followed by Cruise.

haditab 7y ago

Reporting the number of miles driven and the number of disengagements is required by law in CA. It is not voluntary. The reason some larger companies don't have reports is because they either didn't do autonomous testing in CA (many test in AZ) or that they do not consider their tests "autonomous" ( level 4 or above). This is the case for Tesla autopilot.

hef19898 7y ago
Thanks for providing additional context