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Anonymous Ousted from Twitter and Facebook
- Swizec 16y agoWhat Anon is doing today makes me thoroughly proud of The Internet. It's not just Anon's attack on some way-out-there reactions to what WikiLeaks is doing, it's the whole internet's attack. Days like today restore my hope in humanity and our ability to resist our oppressors. Sure, it might be illegal. Yes, it will probably cause inconvenience to many innocents. It is very likely somewhat foolish. But there sometimes "The Mob" simply has to retaliate. Who was it that said People should not be afraid of governments, governments should be afraid of people?
- MichaelApproved 16y agoThe actual quote by Thomas Jefferson is "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_people_should_not_fear_the_government_government_should_fear_the_people http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_said_people_should_not_fear_th...
- rimantas 16y agoSo it is OK to harm anyone with no more reasons than a) you don't like him b) you can? And that makes you proud? Mastercard, Visa, Twitter and Facebook are our oppressors? Seriously? Government you elected should be afraid of you? Not accountable, but afraid?
- Swizec 16y agoVisa et al just got caught in the crossfire, Government made them do something stupid, government gets attacked through the proxy that they did something stupid through. You know the whole, attack their industry shebang. This is how Governments are held accountable ;) You have to hurt their economy, nothing else sticks.
- aquinn 16y agoI suppose the DDOS cannon will be aimed at twitter and facebook next then.
- balac 16y agoHow will they report their attacks then?
- Aaronontheweb 16y agoIRC and 4Chan
- malnourish 16y agoReddit and hn, too!
- rcamera 16y agoThey aren't stupid, there is an agreement that Twitter and Facebook would only attract haters and stop the recruiting process. Been checking their IRC for some time, the OPs aren't stupid. For those interested, connect to their IRC through the IP, not the hostname as it isn't resolving aparently: 199.19.226.231 Also, the official Twitter accounts are: @Op_Payback and @AnonOpsNet
- Aaronontheweb 16y agoJust wanted to point out - I don't support what Anonymous is doing. These businesses have been given two shitty choices - piss off the online community or piss off Governments that can roll them over 1000x worse. And remember, businesses are just people - Anonymous is going to hurt mostly innocent people who work for these companies or work with them, not people who did anything to Assange.
- cma 16y agothe same argument is used by any scab apologist in a labor dispute
- damoncali 16y agoand it would be just as valid.
- cma 16y agoIt would depend on the circumstances. Let me try again: the same argument could be used to call off the Montgomery Bus Boycott. Btw, I'm not equivocating the two; in fact I'm claiming that the argument (wrongly) does.
- Rhapso 16y agoand the logic is just as valid.
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- smokeyj 16y agoYou can call Anon a bunch of script kiddies, but they hit the front page of nearly every major news source today. What have you done for free speech lately? edit: If you want to help http://pastehtml.com/view/1c8i33u.html http://pastehtml.com/view/1c8i33u.html
- naner 16y agoWhat has Anon done for free speech? Internet vandalism? I don't think that counts.
- pyre 16y ago"Raising awareness" "There is no bad publicity" ...etc...
- Aaronontheweb 16y ago"Raising awareness" is what slacktivists say instead of actually doing something meaningful to whatever cause it is they care about it.
- jasonlotito 16y agoPeople who disrupt business operations are bad people and shouldn't be propped up on shoulders. Preventing processing of high risk 3DS transactions and preventing busses from getting people home are both good examples of this. People give Anon and Parks too much credit in my book.
- smokeyj 16y ago> People who disrupt business operations are bad people and shouldn't be propped up on shoulders. Exactly right, which is why Paypal shouldn't have disrupted Wikileaks' account. Bullying the little guy is quite cowardly of these multi-national corporations.
- pigbucket 16y agoGood examples indeed! Especially the one about Rosie Parks. Of all the possible examples in the history of the world of disrupting business operations in a way that inconveniences people, I can see why that one came first to mind. Perfect analogue for a DoS attack: Denial of Seat!. Brilliant!
- Rhapso 16y agoWhile I am proud of Anon's resolve, I am ashamed of its foolishness.
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- whatwhat 16y agoWhat gets me is that what Anonymous is doing isn't terribly sophisticated. Imagine if they had an overarching military-like strategy and intelligence system to back them up, rather than a stand alone complex like "LET'S DDOS STUFF" and obtaining "docs" on people. Shit. It makes me want to join in. Also been thinking for awhile, what's needed is an intelligence clearinghouse. An open revolution wiki that goes beyond dropping docs to one that mimics the world's intelligence systems. Collating information on organizations, people, things. Linking them together. What makes them culturally tick. Their logistical backbone. Their economic makeup. Their command and information gathering apparatus. Their political connections. Their geo and temporal locations. A target-centric database that people can extract useable tactical information from, so when the times comes ...
- redthrowaway 16y agoYou can't do what you suggest in an open, collaborative model. It's too susceptible to malicious actors. What Anon needs is hackers, not spies. They need people who know what the fuck they're talking about to build tools and strategies. LOIC may be slightly improved, but it's still terrible. Having a bunch of angry skiddies is a great resource, if used properly to shield the activities of more capable members. Also, it's dox, not docs. /pedantic
- whatwhat 16y ago>You can't do what you suggest in an open, collaborative model. It's too susceptible to malicious actors. Sure you can. All you need is a suitable counterintelligence and counter-deception wing to crosscheck sources. There's plenty of good open source literature out there on how to set up such a structure (the intelligence scholar Roy Godson's books being one). >What Anon needs is hackers, not spies. That's like saying what the military needs is more engineers and less intelligence. Obviously you haven't read your Sun Tzu. To win, you need both. You also need some overarching strategy as well, so far, it looks like Anon is lacking in that department.