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If you look at conservative opinion formers, like Tucker Carlson, they're talking about breaking up major firms and so on. I think the ideology that was pro-oli

If you look at conservative opinion formers, like Tucker Carlson, they're talking about breaking up major firms and so on. I think the ideology that was pro-oligarchy died on both the left and right in 2008, and only the most diehard centrists are believers in it

save_ferris 7y ago
Really? That really surprises me given the free market arguments that he and others bring. Do you happen to have a specific example of him arguing this?
- ceejayoz 7y ago
  > That really surprises me given the free market arguments that he and others bring. Tucker Carlson holding inconsistent positions shouldn't be the slightest bit surprising. https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/11/not-the-capitalism-i-signed-up-for/ https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/11/not-the-capitalism-i-sign... > “So that’s the crux of it right there,” said Tucker. “You are hearing Google, or you have for the past ten years, Google, Facebook and a number of other companies defended on pro-market grounds,” Tucker said before making the point that a “monopoly changes the calculation completely.”
- defen 7y ago
  The idea is that the large tech companies are overwhelmingly staffed and lead by people who qualify as the political left by American standards. As Breitbart said, "Politics is downstream from culture." - so if you have the most important communications platforms the world has ever seen all privately owned and operated by "the left", that sounds like a bad thing if you're on "the right", because they can shape discourse however they want - either overtly by banning people for bad politics or covertly by shadowbanning and otherwise muting popular voices with undesirable opinions. Imagine if Google/Facebook/Twitter were owned by the Koch brothers and staffed by members of the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation - people on the left would be doing the same thing Tucker Carlson is doing.
  - Maxamillion96 7y ago
    >The idea is that the large tech companies are overwhelmingly staffed and lead by people who qualify as the political left by American standards. they're certainly left of fox news, though i wouldn't call fox news "leftist"
- luckydata 7y ago
  they only believe in free market as far as it benefits their corporate sponsors and private interests. As soon as it helps people that are not them (or look like them) they change their tune instantly. They are hypocrites.
  - pteredactyl 7y ago
    I agree only as far as those entrenched in Washington DC. But would argue 'grassroots' conservatism believes state favored corporations, regardless of ideology, are anti free market.
spamizbad 7y ago
Some of it also has to do with the demographics of their audience. Fox news viewers skew older[1] (65, 66 for primetime) and likely are more skeptical of technology. There's also some "working the refs" at play here, where there's conspiracy theories swirling that conservative content gets suppressed and prominent conservative voices are "shadow-banned." There's even a grassroots effort to get popular social media sites declared the "public commons" to prevent technology companies from removing content, but that's A) likely a pipedream B) Assuming it could hold up in court, would ultimately be a massive boon to the left as it would strike a decisive legal blow against the notion of "corporate personhood" and agency of private industry. A free-marketer's footgun, if you will. [1] https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-typical-cable-news-viewer/355379/ https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-...
- Maxamillion96 7y ago
  There’s always been conservative skepticism towards economic liberalism, like Bismarck and Theodore Roosevelt.
  - spamizbad 7y ago
    Historically, that's certainly true. But I'm not sure if modern conservatism has fully acknowledged their own ideological conflicts with free markets. It's all anecdotal, but talking to conservatives about these issues they often will say technology companies are cheating, employing anti-competitive practices, or even breaking the law and that such restrictions aren't changing market dynamics but simply punishing a few bad actors.

save_ferris 7y ago

Really? That really surprises me given the free market arguments that he and others bring. Do you happen to have a specific example of him arguing this?

ceejayoz 7y ago
> That really surprises me given the free market arguments that he and others bring. Tucker Carlson holding inconsistent positions shouldn't be the slightest bit surprising. https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/11/not-the-capitalism-i-signed-up-for/ https://dailycaller.com/2018/09/11/not-the-capitalism-i-sign... > “So that’s the crux of it right there,” said Tucker. “You are hearing Google, or you have for the past ten years, Google, Facebook and a number of other companies defended on pro-market grounds,” Tucker said before making the point that a “monopoly changes the calculation completely.”
defen 7y ago
The idea is that the large tech companies are overwhelmingly staffed and lead by people who qualify as the political left by American standards. As Breitbart said, "Politics is downstream from culture." - so if you have the most important communications platforms the world has ever seen all privately owned and operated by "the left", that sounds like a bad thing if you're on "the right", because they can shape discourse however they want - either overtly by banning people for bad politics or covertly by shadowbanning and otherwise muting popular voices with undesirable opinions. Imagine if Google/Facebook/Twitter were owned by the Koch brothers and staffed by members of the Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation - people on the left would be doing the same thing Tucker Carlson is doing.
- Maxamillion96 7y ago
  >The idea is that the large tech companies are overwhelmingly staffed and lead by people who qualify as the political left by American standards. they're certainly left of fox news, though i wouldn't call fox news "leftist"
luckydata 7y ago
they only believe in free market as far as it benefits their corporate sponsors and private interests. As soon as it helps people that are not them (or look like them) they change their tune instantly. They are hypocrites.
- pteredactyl 7y ago
  I agree only as far as those entrenched in Washington DC. But would argue 'grassroots' conservatism believes state favored corporations, regardless of ideology, are anti free market.

spamizbad 7y ago

Some of it also has to do with the demographics of their audience. Fox news viewers skew older[1] (65, 66 for primetime) and likely are more skeptical of technology. There's also some "working the refs" at play here, where there's conspiracy theories swirling that conservative content gets suppressed and prominent conservative voices are "shadow-banned." There's even a grassroots effort to get popular social media sites declared the "public commons" to prevent technology companies from removing content, but that's A) likely a pipedream B) Assuming it could hold up in court, would ultimately be a massive boon to the left as it would strike a decisive legal blow against the notion of "corporate personhood" and agency of private industry. A free-marketer's footgun, if you will. [1] https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-typical-cable-news-viewer/355379/ https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/heres-the-median-age-of-the-...

Maxamillion96 7y ago
There’s always been conservative skepticism towards economic liberalism, like Bismarck and Theodore Roosevelt.
- spamizbad 7y ago
  Historically, that's certainly true. But I'm not sure if modern conservatism has fully acknowledged their own ideological conflicts with free markets. It's all anecdotal, but talking to conservatives about these issues they often will say technology companies are cheating, employing anti-competitive practices, or even breaking the law and that such restrictions aren't changing market dynamics but simply punishing a few bad actors.