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Considering that the Jesus was the original revolutionary and one of his major acts was throwing the money changers out of the Temple, I am stunned about the in
by pointillistic 16y ago
Considering that the Jesus was the original revolutionary and one of his major acts was throwing the money changers out of the Temple, I am stunned about the internalized commercialization of Christmas and the comments that put into question the current protest.
And I am saying this even though I hate DDos viscerally, my business was a victim of such an attack. But I have to say, as long as no one gets killed or injured this is a legitimate form of protest.
- astine 16y agoDDOS attempts that utillize illegal botnets are, well, illegal. As such, they are by definition not a legitimate form of protest.
- gasull 16y agoMost of the people at Anonymous run the DOS attacks on their own computers, not through botnets. I'm sure there are some script kiddies with botnets there, but I don't think the average Anonymous/4Chan member has one.
- siculars 16y agoThat may be true, but is THIS an illegal botnet? What makes LOIC illegal? What makes a determined, coordinated request from thousands of volunteer computers illegal? I liken this to a civil disobedience sit in.
- seabee 16y agoLOIC itself isn't illegal but causing a DDoS is, however you achieve it.
- qeorge 16y agoA DDoS is nothing like a sit in. Its more like forming a human chain around the restaurant. The crux of civil disobedience is that moral men have a duty to break unjust laws. This is not civil disobedience.
- russellallen 16y agoWithout commenting on the morality of LOIC, what makes its current use illegal are laws, passed by legislatures. Pick a jurisdiction and you'll find some law forbidding DDOS attacks. Here for example: http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s308e.html http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/ca190082/s... That section would cover anyone from NSW participating in this botnet and could be used to prosecute this guy if they find him: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/the-aussie-who-blitzed-visa-mastercard-and-paypal-with-the-low-orbit-ion-cannon-20101209-18qr1.html http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/the-aussie-who-bli...
- pointillistic 16y agoA revolution doesn't ask from a permit for a city hall. Seriously, I have seen many demos banned arbitrarily for the lack of a "permit".
- astine 16y agoIf it is a revolution, then it is by definition illegal, and by univocation, illegitimate. It may be the 'right' thing to do, but it is not 'legitimate.'
- borism 16y agolegitimate != legal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political) legitimate protest vs. legal protest are very very different things.
- rkwz 16y ago>A revolution doesn't ask from a permit for a city hall. One of the best quotes ever!
- __david__ 16y agoThere's an assumption there that "illegal == illegitimate". I don't believe that is true. No more true than "legal == legitimate".
- astine 16y agoPlease look up words in a dictionary before you correct people on their meaning, you will seem like less of a fool for doing so. Legitimate and legal are synonyms. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legitimate http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/legitimate
- __david__ 16y agoSigh. Did you even read the link you posted? Yes, one of the definitions has to do with laws, but there are plenty of other meanings that don't have anything to do with legailty. Eg: "not spurious or unjustified; genuine"
- borism 16y agoor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)
- pointillistic 16y agoYou know what is "illegitimate" is for a service that is a virtual "utility" do cut off service for political reasons. Imagine someone would cut off your electricity if they think your ideas a dangerous.
- zoomzoom 16y agoThe only legitimate forms of protest are the ones that will never work.
- shortlived 16y ago> illegal == illegitimate form of protest I'm having some great laughs at everyone here on HN that has never have read a bit about the history of protest movements and labor unions in the US.
- joebananas 16y agoOn the other hand, the pagans whose rituals were plagiarized as christmas by the inventors of christianity were not above sacrificing money and other valuables, so I guess it's back to the old school.