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I am still waiting for the reasoning - why the hell can't people do it by themselves and need government for this? What is so hard about creating a Slack group

I am still waiting for the reasoning - why the hell can't people do it by themselves and need government for this? What is so hard about creating a Slack group and funding a $10 DO instance together, eventually growing it further? Why would you force the society to pay up for such a unnecessary thing that could be done 1000x-10000x cheaper (not kidding, I have some insight into governmental IT) and better if people just did it themselves? How do you propose to solve issues inherent to governmental projects? How do you propose to solve things such as right to equal access to public services? I strongly despise the current "'it should be done' instead of 'we do this'" trend. Just get the hell up and do it, code sharing does not even need any investment! Talk to your neighbors/friends/use the internet. You don't need the government to live your life. It was supposed to be there in case something goes wrong and for-profit help could become dangerous, not for other things such as code sharing... ... TBH I still can't really believe someone thinks we need the government to provide repositories, or that it'd be a good thing. Just why?

52-6F-62 7y ago
You again seem to be applying what I'm saying to what seems to be your experience with the American government. You also seem to be representing what I’ve been saying as if I’ve suggested there should be only one, centrally-located repository and that is not the case. One of the first suggestions I had was the UN or IEEE. For what it's worth, I have volunteered software engineering time for the former, and it was productive and barrier-free. My reasoning, that I've stated multiple times, is posterity. I think a system could be valuable for the same reasons we make libraries publicly funded and run institutions. I'm sorry but you seem hung up on semantics. I just don't see collaboration in the context of a public institution as somehow separate from person-to-person collaboration. It's only your perspective on it that removes it. It is completely a matter of implementation, and the rest is semantics. We simply can't rely on a VM hosted by a profit-focused company as the backbone for record-keeping in posterity. The goal being something other than economic profit means it can never be the priority of such an organization. I was never trying to start an argument, but a discussion about possibilities.
- TomMarius 7y ago
  > You again seem to be applying what I'm saying to what seems to be your experience with the American government I am European with direct experience with around 20 governments of the union; I've never visited the USA > I just don't see collaboration in the context of a public institution as somehow separate from person-to-person collaboration. One involves politics, lawmaking, ministers, directors, budgets, projects and governments and... And one does not. Pretty huge difference. > We simply can't rely on a VM hosted by a profit-focused company as the backbone for record-keeping in posterity. I already suggested IPFS, and there are more solutions to distributed data than you'd like. Choosing government for your purposes is about the worst thing you could do, even the government rather uses Amazon. My current government exists mere 30 years and each switch was accompanied by literal record burning. The previous communist phase lasted 40 years, and the one before that 20 years. > One of the first suggestions I had was the UN or IEEE. Why not Wikipedia or similar? That's what I am suggesting, basically
  - 52-6F-62 7y ago
    > I am European with direct experience with around 20 governments of the union; I've never visited the USA You've got me there. You just didn't correct my earlier assumption, so I carried on. > One involves politics, lawmaking, ministers, directors, budgets, projects and governments and... And one does not. Pretty huge difference. Every human organization involves politics. And every non-profit organization requires a budget. The rest of that jargon is only semantics unless you're actually opposed to structure. > I already suggested IPFS, and there are more solutions to distributed data than you'd like. Choosing government for your purposes is about the worst thing you could do, even the government rather uses Amazon. My current government exists mere 30 years and each switch was accompanied by literal record burning. The previous communist phase lasted 40 years, and the one before that 20 years. IPFS isn't an organization that can manage itself as a proxy for humanity's interests. (Also not sure why you're dictating what I'd "like" here) Edited to add: Yes the government might employ external services for run-time business. [For the most part] governments don't often rely on one source for services like that because of the need for persistence. Governments are often rigorous and slow because of the need for surety. It sucks and I'd never want to work inside of it, but it works [and some people thrive in that environment]. Also added: Your government doesn't change that quickly. Your current administration does. That's the part that illustrates what I'm saying—the people can change dramatically while the system may not. It's a bug in some contexts, but a feature in others. > Why not Wikipedia or similar? That's what I am suggesting, basically Sure. That would be a good start. Wikipedia is young, however. There is merit in something lasting long enough to be considered old.

52-6F-62 7y ago

You again seem to be applying what I'm saying to what seems to be your experience with the American government. You also seem to be representing what I’ve been saying as if I’ve suggested there should be only one, centrally-located repository and that is not the case. One of the first suggestions I had was the UN or IEEE. For what it's worth, I have volunteered software engineering time for the former, and it was productive and barrier-free. My reasoning, that I've stated multiple times, is posterity. I think a system could be valuable for the same reasons we make libraries publicly funded and run institutions. I'm sorry but you seem hung up on semantics. I just don't see collaboration in the context of a public institution as somehow separate from person-to-person collaboration. It's only your perspective on it that removes it. It is completely a matter of implementation, and the rest is semantics. We simply can't rely on a VM hosted by a profit-focused company as the backbone for record-keeping in posterity. The goal being something other than economic profit means it can never be the priority of such an organization. I was never trying to start an argument, but a discussion about possibilities.

TomMarius 7y ago
> You again seem to be applying what I'm saying to what seems to be your experience with the American government I am European with direct experience with around 20 governments of the union; I've never visited the USA > I just don't see collaboration in the context of a public institution as somehow separate from person-to-person collaboration. One involves politics, lawmaking, ministers, directors, budgets, projects and governments and... And one does not. Pretty huge difference. > We simply can't rely on a VM hosted by a profit-focused company as the backbone for record-keeping in posterity. I already suggested IPFS, and there are more solutions to distributed data than you'd like. Choosing government for your purposes is about the worst thing you could do, even the government rather uses Amazon. My current government exists mere 30 years and each switch was accompanied by literal record burning. The previous communist phase lasted 40 years, and the one before that 20 years. > One of the first suggestions I had was the UN or IEEE. Why not Wikipedia or similar? That's what I am suggesting, basically
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  > I am European with direct experience with around 20 governments of the union; I've never visited the USA You've got me there. You just didn't correct my earlier assumption, so I carried on. > One involves politics, lawmaking, ministers, directors, budgets, projects and governments and... And one does not. Pretty huge difference. Every human organization involves politics. And every non-profit organization requires a budget. The rest of that jargon is only semantics unless you're actually opposed to structure. > I already suggested IPFS, and there are more solutions to distributed data than you'd like. Choosing government for your purposes is about the worst thing you could do, even the government rather uses Amazon. My current government exists mere 30 years and each switch was accompanied by literal record burning. The previous communist phase lasted 40 years, and the one before that 20 years. IPFS isn't an organization that can manage itself as a proxy for humanity's interests. (Also not sure why you're dictating what I'd "like" here) Edited to add: Yes the government might employ external services for run-time business. [For the most part] governments don't often rely on one source for services like that because of the need for persistence. Governments are often rigorous and slow because of the need for surety. It sucks and I'd never want to work inside of it, but it works [and some people thrive in that environment]. Also added: Your government doesn't change that quickly. Your current administration does. That's the part that illustrates what I'm saying—the people can change dramatically while the system may not. It's a bug in some contexts, but a feature in others. > Why not Wikipedia or similar? That's what I am suggesting, basically Sure. That would be a good start. Wikipedia is young, however. There is merit in something lasting long enough to be considered old.