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Right, that's absolutely the ideal, but its not reality. Reality is that the safest thing to do is "yes sir, no sir" and comply and live - you only get one life

by jtms 7y ago

gowld 7y ago
"Close your phone." "Yes, sir." <plant contraband, commences beating> -- "Close your phone." "No, sir." "I'll light you up." <Commences beating> In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit. Until of course they passed laws prohibiting that.
- huffmsa 7y ago
  Get a separate recording device. Get multiple. One on your person and one in your vehicle. Don't rely on your phone if you think you're at risk from corrupt policing.
  - mannykannot 7y ago
    While this is far better than carrying a gun, there is something seriously wrong wherever this is actually good practical advice for a portion of the population (you are not suggesting that these concerns are imaginary, are you?)
    - huffmsa 7y ago
      It is natural for centralized authority to go rotten if left unchecked. Certainly not imaginary. If I had my way, all government bureaucrats would have a body cam glued to their chest, not just law enforcement. Humans are prone to bad behavior if they think they can get away with it. And do carry a gun. And have a shotgun for home defense. And a long gun for when it's time to water the tree of liberty.
      - mannykannot 7y ago
        At what point, in the sort of situation we are discussing here, should one make use of one's gun?
        huffmsa 7y ago
        That's up to you. I'm just here to make sure you have firearms available for when you decide it's time to use them.
        dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        Some people would say that the fact we're having this discussion means we should have used our guns a long time ago. I don't personally think we're their yet because excessive police violence in my mind is simply a result of having a large amount of society that thinks you can pick and choose which human rights apply to whom and when and I think police violence will go away as that gets solved.
      - 3hoss 7y ago
        honest question: did you get partial tumescence when you typed "water[ing] the tree of liberty"?
3hoss 7y ago
again, why do you think simple compliance precludes the possibility of police violence? I can think of several examples literally off of the top of my head where this was not the case, many of which were already cited in the comments. So, why are you so sure that this would have been the outcome in this case?

Right, that's absolutely the ideal, but its not reality. Reality is that the safest thing to do is "yes sir, no sir" and comply and live - you only get one life

by jtms 7y ago

Right, that's absolutely the ideal, but its not reality. Reality is that the safest thing to do is "yes sir, no sir" and comply and live - you only get one life

gowld 7y ago

"Close your phone." "Yes, sir." <plant contraband, commences beating> -- "Close your phone." "No, sir." "I'll light you up." <Commences beating> In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit. Until of course they passed laws prohibiting that.
huffmsa 7y ago
Get a separate recording device. Get multiple. One on your person and one in your vehicle. Don't rely on your phone if you think you're at risk from corrupt policing.
- mannykannot 7y ago
  While this is far better than carrying a gun, there is something seriously wrong wherever this is actually good practical advice for a portion of the population (you are not suggesting that these concerns are imaginary, are you?)
  - huffmsa 7y ago
    It is natural for centralized authority to go rotten if left unchecked. Certainly not imaginary. If I had my way, all government bureaucrats would have a body cam glued to their chest, not just law enforcement. Humans are prone to bad behavior if they think they can get away with it. And do carry a gun. And have a shotgun for home defense. And a long gun for when it's time to water the tree of liberty.
    - mannykannot 7y ago
      At what point, in the sort of situation we are discussing here, should one make use of one's gun?
      - huffmsa 7y ago
        That's up to you. I'm just here to make sure you have firearms available for when you decide it's time to use them.
      - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        Some people would say that the fact we're having this discussion means we should have used our guns a long time ago. I don't personally think we're their yet because excessive police violence in my mind is simply a result of having a large amount of society that thinks you can pick and choose which human rights apply to whom and when and I think police violence will go away as that gets solved.
    - 3hoss 7y ago
      honest question: did you get partial tumescence when you typed "water[ing] the tree of liberty"?

3hoss 7y ago

again, why do you think simple compliance precludes the possibility of police violence? I can think of several examples literally off of the top of my head where this was not the case, many of which were already cited in the comments. So, why are you so sure that this would have been the outcome in this case?