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There are tons of people who's job is to deal with the public in negative situations who manage to not go off the deep end like a lot of cops seem to do. Polic

There are tons of people who's job is to deal with the public in negative situations who manage to not go off the deep end like a lot of cops seem to do. Police should be held to an equal or higher standard, not lower.

jtms 8y ago
Right, that's absolutely the ideal, but its not reality. Reality is that the safest thing to do is "yes sir, no sir" and comply and live - you only get one life
- gowld 8y ago
  "Close your phone." "Yes, sir." <plant contraband, commences beating> -- "Close your phone." "No, sir." "I'll light you up." <Commences beating> In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit.
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    >In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit. Until of course they passed laws prohibiting that.
  - huffmsa 8y ago
    Get a separate recording device. Get multiple. One on your person and one in your vehicle. Don't rely on your phone if you think you're at risk from corrupt policing.
    - mannykannot 8y ago
      While this is far better than carrying a gun, there is something seriously wrong wherever this is actually good practical advice for a portion of the population (you are not suggesting that these concerns are imaginary, are you?)
      - huffmsa 8y ago
        It is natural for centralized authority to go rotten if left unchecked. Certainly not imaginary. If I had my way, all government bureaucrats would have a body cam glued to their chest, not just law enforcement. Humans are prone to bad behavior if they think they can get away with it. And do carry a gun. And have a shotgun for home defense. And a long gun for when it's time to water the tree of liberty.
        mannykannot 8y ago
        At what point, in the sort of situation we are discussing here, should one make use of one's gun?
        huffmsa 8y ago
        That's up to you. I'm just here to make sure you have firearms available for when you decide it's time to use them.
        dsfyu404ed 8y ago
        Some people would say that the fact we're having this discussion means we should have used our guns a long time ago. I don't personally think we're their yet because excessive police violence in my mind is simply a result of having a large amount of society that thinks you can pick and choose which human rights apply to whom and when and I think police violence will go away as that gets solved.
        3hoss 8y ago
        honest question: did you get partial tumescence when you typed "water[ing] the tree of liberty"?
- 3hoss 8y ago
  again, why do you think simple compliance precludes the possibility of police violence? I can think of several examples literally off of the top of my head where this was not the case, many of which were already cited in the comments. So, why are you so sure that this would have been the outcome in this case?

jtms 8y ago

Right, that's absolutely the ideal, but its not reality. Reality is that the safest thing to do is "yes sir, no sir" and comply and live - you only get one life

gowld 8y ago
"Close your phone." "Yes, sir." <plant contraband, commences beating> -- "Close your phone." "No, sir." "I'll light you up." <Commences beating> In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit.
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  >In the 1960s, a solution was for citizens to carry firearms for defense against the police, and it worked, at least a bit. Until of course they passed laws prohibiting that.
- huffmsa 8y ago
  Get a separate recording device. Get multiple. One on your person and one in your vehicle. Don't rely on your phone if you think you're at risk from corrupt policing.
  - mannykannot 8y ago
    While this is far better than carrying a gun, there is something seriously wrong wherever this is actually good practical advice for a portion of the population (you are not suggesting that these concerns are imaginary, are you?)
    - huffmsa 8y ago
      It is natural for centralized authority to go rotten if left unchecked. Certainly not imaginary. If I had my way, all government bureaucrats would have a body cam glued to their chest, not just law enforcement. Humans are prone to bad behavior if they think they can get away with it. And do carry a gun. And have a shotgun for home defense. And a long gun for when it's time to water the tree of liberty.
      - mannykannot 8y ago
        At what point, in the sort of situation we are discussing here, should one make use of one's gun?
        huffmsa 8y ago
        That's up to you. I'm just here to make sure you have firearms available for when you decide it's time to use them.
        dsfyu404ed 8y ago
        Some people would say that the fact we're having this discussion means we should have used our guns a long time ago. I don't personally think we're their yet because excessive police violence in my mind is simply a result of having a large amount of society that thinks you can pick and choose which human rights apply to whom and when and I think police violence will go away as that gets solved.
      - 3hoss 8y ago
        honest question: did you get partial tumescence when you typed "water[ing] the tree of liberty"?
3hoss 8y ago
again, why do you think simple compliance precludes the possibility of police violence? I can think of several examples literally off of the top of my head where this was not the case, many of which were already cited in the comments. So, why are you so sure that this would have been the outcome in this case?