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No reason to tie poly to either of those religions, since at least in some cases for those religions it comes from a very misogynistic mindset instead of any of

No reason to tie poly to either of those religions, since at least in some cases for those religions it comes from a very misogynistic mindset instead of any of the positive in any "real" poly community. Instead of legalizing poly, how about we just get the government out of marriage in the first place. (Incase it isn't clear, I am advocating for poly acceptance. Just not that it needs to be "legal")

Freak_NL 8y ago
> get the government about of marriage Out of marriage you mean? Marriage bestows a number of desirable benefits to spouses, in terms of property, taxes, and kinship (having the ability to speak for your spouse in case of severe illness and sudden hospitalisation is definitely something married couples tend to want). It is reasonable for governments to award such constructs, as they are the one type of institution that can grant them. Opening up this civil marriage construct to polyamorous lovers is probably fine, as long as there are safeguards to prevent abuse of that construct. Like a maximum of n people perhaps (but I'm no expert on this topic). This is of course separate from any religious marriage which a secular government already stays well away from.
- nerdjon 8y ago
  Yes, fixed that. Thank you I think there should be an alternative too married when it comes to the government. (As in, the government is not involved in marriage at all. not "Separate but equal") What we consider "marriage" should not be a thing the government should be involved in. I think questioning why the government should view 2 (or more) people together should change how taxes work. Instead of just having each person file taxes separately. At one point we needed tax incentives for procreation, but I don't think that is necessary anymore. Property is an interesting one, but break this assumption that just because you are with someone that you should immediately all own everything. Kinship is valid, but we need alternatives too that anyways for anyone that chooses never to marry. No reason 2 best friends cannot enter that specific agreement for each other and have it legally recognized. I just think there are better ways to handle these issues than tying them all to a marriage. Allow 2 people to still get married obviously... but the government does not care anymore, but these other benefits grant in other more meaningful ways.
  - Freak_NL 8y ago
    Fixing all that would be laudable of course, but how do you solve the problem of foreign governments respecting those? If you go abroad on holiday, you would want the right to speak for your partner in a hospital as well! Also, what's wrong with calling the set of those rights marriage? Two best friends can already get married in a lot of countries if they wish.
    - nerdjon 8y ago
      As a gay man many foreign governments won't respect my current marriage so I fail to see the issue. Every foreign government does not already recognize it. Hell we had enough issues in the US alone of every state recognizing every marriage (Common Law is not recognized in most states). I don't have an issue with the word. But they should not be grouped together and have any restrictions on it being 2 people. 2 best friends may want to setup the kinship agreement but why does that mean they get tax benefits or any other benefit traditionally associated with marriage.

Freak_NL 8y ago

> get the government about of marriage Out of marriage you mean? Marriage bestows a number of desirable benefits to spouses, in terms of property, taxes, and kinship (having the ability to speak for your spouse in case of severe illness and sudden hospitalisation is definitely something married couples tend to want). It is reasonable for governments to award such constructs, as they are the one type of institution that can grant them. Opening up this civil marriage construct to polyamorous lovers is probably fine, as long as there are safeguards to prevent abuse of that construct. Like a maximum of n people perhaps (but I'm no expert on this topic). This is of course separate from any religious marriage which a secular government already stays well away from.

nerdjon 8y ago
Yes, fixed that. Thank you I think there should be an alternative too married when it comes to the government. (As in, the government is not involved in marriage at all. not "Separate but equal") What we consider "marriage" should not be a thing the government should be involved in. I think questioning why the government should view 2 (or more) people together should change how taxes work. Instead of just having each person file taxes separately. At one point we needed tax incentives for procreation, but I don't think that is necessary anymore. Property is an interesting one, but break this assumption that just because you are with someone that you should immediately all own everything. Kinship is valid, but we need alternatives too that anyways for anyone that chooses never to marry. No reason 2 best friends cannot enter that specific agreement for each other and have it legally recognized. I just think there are better ways to handle these issues than tying them all to a marriage. Allow 2 people to still get married obviously... but the government does not care anymore, but these other benefits grant in other more meaningful ways.
- Freak_NL 8y ago
  Fixing all that would be laudable of course, but how do you solve the problem of foreign governments respecting those? If you go abroad on holiday, you would want the right to speak for your partner in a hospital as well! Also, what's wrong with calling the set of those rights marriage? Two best friends can already get married in a lot of countries if they wish.
  - nerdjon 8y ago
    As a gay man many foreign governments won't respect my current marriage so I fail to see the issue. Every foreign government does not already recognize it. Hell we had enough issues in the US alone of every state recognizing every marriage (Common Law is not recognized in most states). I don't have an issue with the word. But they should not be grouped together and have any restrictions on it being 2 people. 2 best friends may want to setup the kinship agreement but why does that mean they get tax benefits or any other benefit traditionally associated with marriage.