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And the App Store too. Advertising on the App Store really broke my heart, I thought Apple just made money from us all by selling expensive, high quality devic

And the App Store too. Advertising on the App Store really broke my heart, I thought Apple just made money from us all by selling expensive, high quality devices and apps. These ads are a desperate attempt to now make something over and above by selling my attention, what a shame!

wlesieutre 7y ago
It feels like a way for Apple to claw back even more than their 30% cut. Even if you have a successful app, now you have to take some of your money and buy the search ads for it, otherwise somebody else is going to be the first result when potential customers come to the store looking specifically for your app. You can try and drive traffic straight to your store page from outside sources to bypass that search, but that sort of marketing costs money too. And word of mouth searches are going to be through the App Store search regardless. It was nice when Apple's search felt like it was just trying to help you find what you were looking for. But it's 2019 and we need to put ads in everything now.
- scarface74 7y ago
  While I agree that ad sales are disheartening, App Store search has never been that great.
  - wlesieutre 7y ago
    It's not perfect, but if I search for "GoodNotes" exactly by name it should give me GoodNotes. The fact that the search results dedicate most of my screen to Notability (one of their main competitors) is some bullshit on Apple's part. https://i.imgur.com/4T7sLXb.png https://i.imgur.com/4T7sLXb.png It would be one thing if I searched for "notebook" or "handwriting" or "notes," but I searched for a specific app by name and they're sending traffic to a competitor because GoodNotes "only" pays 30% of their revenue to Apple, and Apple wants even more on top of that or else a competitor gets their traffic. Sometimes search is bad because search is a hard problem and it's difficult to know what a user is looking for. Apple knows exactly what I was looking for. They're just being dicks about it.
    - scarface74 7y ago
      What’s going to happen when Apple rolls out the game subscription? Will they favor those games over publishers that decide not to be part of it? I think (and hope) that I read that it will be a separate tab. My heart goes out to the few non scammy, paid up front/pay one time to get rid of ads publishers that might be affected, but honestly if all apps that are dependent on ads, in app purchases of coins, power ups and loot boxes disappeared from the store, nothing of value would be lost.
  - r_singh 7y ago
    And let's not forget that it's the same with Apple Music search Edit: meant that search is bad enough on Apple Music too (not that it has ads)
    - scarface74 7y ago
      I don’t see ads when I search iTunes on the phone for music.
scarface74 7y ago
I really hate ads on phones. There is relatively little space on phones and for any of that space to have ads is really distracting. I’m really disappointed that Apple is going anywhere near ad-tech. I stay in the Apple ecosystem because they have my preferred value system - I give them money and they give me stuff.

wlesieutre 7y ago

It feels like a way for Apple to claw back even more than their 30% cut. Even if you have a successful app, now you have to take some of your money and buy the search ads for it, otherwise somebody else is going to be the first result when potential customers come to the store looking specifically for your app. You can try and drive traffic straight to your store page from outside sources to bypass that search, but that sort of marketing costs money too. And word of mouth searches are going to be through the App Store search regardless. It was nice when Apple's search felt like it was just trying to help you find what you were looking for. But it's 2019 and we need to put ads in everything now.

scarface74 7y ago
While I agree that ad sales are disheartening, App Store search has never been that great.
- wlesieutre 7y ago
  It's not perfect, but if I search for "GoodNotes" exactly by name it should give me GoodNotes. The fact that the search results dedicate most of my screen to Notability (one of their main competitors) is some bullshit on Apple's part. https://i.imgur.com/4T7sLXb.png https://i.imgur.com/4T7sLXb.png It would be one thing if I searched for "notebook" or "handwriting" or "notes," but I searched for a specific app by name and they're sending traffic to a competitor because GoodNotes "only" pays 30% of their revenue to Apple, and Apple wants even more on top of that or else a competitor gets their traffic. Sometimes search is bad because search is a hard problem and it's difficult to know what a user is looking for. Apple knows exactly what I was looking for. They're just being dicks about it.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    What’s going to happen when Apple rolls out the game subscription? Will they favor those games over publishers that decide not to be part of it? I think (and hope) that I read that it will be a separate tab. My heart goes out to the few non scammy, paid up front/pay one time to get rid of ads publishers that might be affected, but honestly if all apps that are dependent on ads, in app purchases of coins, power ups and loot boxes disappeared from the store, nothing of value would be lost.
- r_singh 7y ago
  And let's not forget that it's the same with Apple Music search Edit: meant that search is bad enough on Apple Music too (not that it has ads)
  - scarface74 7y ago
    I don’t see ads when I search iTunes on the phone for music.

scarface74 7y ago

I really hate ads on phones. There is relatively little space on phones and for any of that space to have ads is really distracting. I’m really disappointed that Apple is going anywhere near ad-tech. I stay in the Apple ecosystem because they have my preferred value system - I give them money and they give me stuff.