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> I think we might be talking about two different things. (You're losing me with the "dying people" remark. Not sure what you're driving at) That is an example

> I think we might be talking about two different things. (You're losing me with the "dying people" remark. Not sure what you're driving at) That is an example of a situation which's solution might have to be solved as a public service because it is literally people dying. Code sharing is not as severe as people dying and thus not really necessary to have it as a public service with all of its shortcomings including unnecessary cost to the state budget and irrationality of the whole idea (just why, we have the nonprofits for exactly this kind of things). > I'm only suggesting common repository hosting would be a benefit to humanity, so that source code can be persisted beyond the whims of a private company and accessible by all. Then do it. You have all the means to do so: - You have Facebook, Reddit, HN, ... to gather community - You have the Internet to find incorporation documents for nonprofits - You have Paypal and cryptocurrencies to receive donations - You have IPFS - You have Git - You have Amazon, DO, Azure... Apparently such service has not enough value even for you if you can't spend $10/month to do it, and thus you want to force other people to do it for you. > I'm not suggesting that anybody should be forced to use it. I'd call you a fucking communist and went away if I thought that.

52-6F-62 7y ago
Your tone is surprisingly accusatory given the subject matter. You also seem to be assuming that I'm suggesting such a service should be the domain of the United States. It's a global (read: human) matter. I should maybe be more clear: I see a public service option for code repositories as more of a public library than anything else. I was suggesting something expressly not run by a private company. That's because as we've seen many times over: companies' priorities change over time—products rise and fall. I think code is important. I think it will be important in the future as well. As much as ancient recorded mathematics and literature is important. As well, I see a greater benefit to building common libraries than to burning them. Because I don't favour dictatorships, I see building libraries as the product of agreement. So by default it seems a collaborative effort to me, and not a forced one. All of this is why I consider the subject worth discussing.
- TomMarius 7y ago
  > You also seem to be assuming that I'm suggesting such a service should be the domain of the United States Doing this through any government or government-like organization is wrong. If your proposal is about a nonprofit group of people doing that as a sort of public service, then I'm sorry I agree with the rest In my country and IMHO generally in discussions "public services" (akin to "public utilities") are provided by governments.
  - 52-6F-62 7y ago
    > Doing this through any government or government-like organization is wrong. This seems to be where we diverge, then. I disagree. I do think that how its implemented is crucial, but not that the form of system is. That is, government not as hard authority but as collaboration. Non-profits are not much less volatile than private companies. One would be a step in the right direction, sure. The form of a government is hardly different from any other authoritative body—I don't think it's productive to think of it as a bad word. Implementation is primary.
    - TomMarius 7y ago
      I am still waiting for the reasoning - why the hell can't people do it by themselves and need government for this? What is so hard about creating a Slack group and funding a $10 DO instance together, eventually growing it further? Why would you force the society to pay up for such a unnecessary thing that could be done 1000x-10000x cheaper (not kidding, I have some insight into governmental IT) and better if people just did it themselves? How do you propose to solve issues inherent to governmental projects? How do you propose to solve things such as right to equal access to public services? I strongly despise the current "'it should be done' instead of 'we do this'" trend. Just get the hell up and do it, code sharing does not even need any investment! Talk to your neighbors/friends/use the internet. You don't need the government to live your life. It was supposed to be there in case something goes wrong and for-profit help could become dangerous, not for other things such as code sharing... ... TBH I still can't really believe someone thinks we need the government to provide repositories, or that it'd be a good thing. Just why?

52-6F-62 7y ago

Your tone is surprisingly accusatory given the subject matter. You also seem to be assuming that I'm suggesting such a service should be the domain of the United States. It's a global (read: human) matter. I should maybe be more clear: I see a public service option for code repositories as more of a public library than anything else. I was suggesting something expressly not run by a private company. That's because as we've seen many times over: companies' priorities change over time—products rise and fall. I think code is important. I think it will be important in the future as well. As much as ancient recorded mathematics and literature is important. As well, I see a greater benefit to building common libraries than to burning them. Because I don't favour dictatorships, I see building libraries as the product of agreement. So by default it seems a collaborative effort to me, and not a forced one. All of this is why I consider the subject worth discussing.

TomMarius 7y ago
> You also seem to be assuming that I'm suggesting such a service should be the domain of the United States Doing this through any government or government-like organization is wrong. If your proposal is about a nonprofit group of people doing that as a sort of public service, then I'm sorry I agree with the rest In my country and IMHO generally in discussions "public services" (akin to "public utilities") are provided by governments.
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  > Doing this through any government or government-like organization is wrong. This seems to be where we diverge, then. I disagree. I do think that how its implemented is crucial, but not that the form of system is. That is, government not as hard authority but as collaboration. Non-profits are not much less volatile than private companies. One would be a step in the right direction, sure. The form of a government is hardly different from any other authoritative body—I don't think it's productive to think of it as a bad word. Implementation is primary.
  - TomMarius 7y ago
    I am still waiting for the reasoning - why the hell can't people do it by themselves and need government for this? What is so hard about creating a Slack group and funding a $10 DO instance together, eventually growing it further? Why would you force the society to pay up for such a unnecessary thing that could be done 1000x-10000x cheaper (not kidding, I have some insight into governmental IT) and better if people just did it themselves? How do you propose to solve issues inherent to governmental projects? How do you propose to solve things such as right to equal access to public services? I strongly despise the current "'it should be done' instead of 'we do this'" trend. Just get the hell up and do it, code sharing does not even need any investment! Talk to your neighbors/friends/use the internet. You don't need the government to live your life. It was supposed to be there in case something goes wrong and for-profit help could become dangerous, not for other things such as code sharing... ... TBH I still can't really believe someone thinks we need the government to provide repositories, or that it'd be a good thing. Just why?