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Yes, through long-term building of trust and deep personal relationships. This is very, very different from an internet comments section, where it is basically

Yes, through long-term building of trust and deep personal relationships. This is very, very different from an internet comments section, where it is basically impossible.

busymom0 7y ago
I would argue that internet comments section is exactly what's needed actually. Simply banning them away is basically hiding it under the rug. But that's not going to do anything productive. Banning them will now re-enforce their beliefs and now they will just go to another platform which will be an echo chamber of even more similar "hate" views. This brings up 2 problems - 1. Now we don't even know what they are talking about / planning some extreme crime etc 2. Those people are now only exposed to views which agree to their own points and not exposed to opposing views. So there's nothing which would even allow them to change their minds. Humans aren't born racist / hateful. They learn it from the environment around them. By exposing them to more counter points, you can make them unlearn that hate too.
- WAHa_06x36 7y ago
  You say they learn if from the environment around them. This is exactly right, and this is exactly why you ban racists from your open platforms. There will always be hardcore hateful people who hide deep in the pockets of the internet. The point is to not normalise them, not let them spread their hatred in public, and not to make people think that sort of attitude is ok. They are exposed to counterpoints constantly, and it is not changing them.
  - busymom0 7y ago
    > They are exposed to counterpoints constantly, and it is not changing them. This is not correct. This very post's topic implies they aren't exposed to counterpoints. Banning them from every platform possible doesn't allow them to be exposed to counterpoints. Allowing hateful people doesn't mean we are normalizing it. Also the definition of "hate speech" is extremely vague now a days. > You say they learn if from the environment around them. This is exactly right, and this is exactly why you ban racists from your open platforms. So you are saying that not allowing these people on open platforms where they are exposed to counterpoints (let's say 5% bad + 95% good) so that they all jump to another platform (8chan for example) where they are exposed to an even higher saturation of bad (100% bad) is good? That's basically exposing them to an even worse environment now. That's exactly what's making this situation even worse. Every mass shooting etc was planned on those worse platforms (4chan, 8chan) etc.

Yes, through long-term building of trust and deep personal relationships. This is very, very different from an internet comments section, where it is basically impossible.

busymom0 7y ago

I would argue that internet comments section is exactly what's needed actually. Simply banning them away is basically hiding it under the rug. But that's not going to do anything productive. Banning them will now re-enforce their beliefs and now they will just go to another platform which will be an echo chamber of even more similar "hate" views. This brings up 2 problems - 1. Now we don't even know what they are talking about / planning some extreme crime etc 2. Those people are now only exposed to views which agree to their own points and not exposed to opposing views. So there's nothing which would even allow them to change their minds. Humans aren't born racist / hateful. They learn it from the environment around them. By exposing them to more counter points, you can make them unlearn that hate too.

WAHa_06x36 7y ago
You say they learn if from the environment around them. This is exactly right, and this is exactly why you ban racists from your open platforms. There will always be hardcore hateful people who hide deep in the pockets of the internet. The point is to not normalise them, not let them spread their hatred in public, and not to make people think that sort of attitude is ok. They are exposed to counterpoints constantly, and it is not changing them.
- busymom0 7y ago
  > They are exposed to counterpoints constantly, and it is not changing them. This is not correct. This very post's topic implies they aren't exposed to counterpoints. Banning them from every platform possible doesn't allow them to be exposed to counterpoints. Allowing hateful people doesn't mean we are normalizing it. Also the definition of "hate speech" is extremely vague now a days. > You say they learn if from the environment around them. This is exactly right, and this is exactly why you ban racists from your open platforms. So you are saying that not allowing these people on open platforms where they are exposed to counterpoints (let's say 5% bad + 95% good) so that they all jump to another platform (8chan for example) where they are exposed to an even higher saturation of bad (100% bad) is good? That's basically exposing them to an even worse environment now. That's exactly what's making this situation even worse. Every mass shooting etc was planned on those worse platforms (4chan, 8chan) etc.