> it was hard to find good [key job roles] who were able to work together and effectively run their shit Having had to interact with sysadmins and others, firs

> it was hard to find good [key job roles] who were able to work together and effectively run their shit Having had to interact with sysadmins and others, first at at a university and then in business, "work together" is too frequently overlooked. The crusty, angry and rude stereotype proved right. I've never met a bigger group of downright bastards. Those who were nice people usually couldn't get the servers/software to work reliably. So you were forced back to group 1.