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If an olympic level athlete can reach peak success [0] while "chewing beans" - you can do that too. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/20

by trymas 7y ago

If an olympic level athlete can reach peak success [0] while "chewing beans" - you can do that too. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/jul/30/lizzie-armitstead-vegetarian-athletes-olympics-2012 https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/ju...

komali2 7y ago
Swimmers, tennis players, and runners. No weightlifters. Why the attacks? I don't buy pounds of factory farmed beef a week. I'm buying free range chicken and turkey, sustainable fish, free range egg and cheese. This supports the cause. We are on the same side.
- andbberger 7y ago
  > This supports the cause. We are on the same side. No definitely not you're delusional.
  - komali2 7y ago
    Personal attacks? Seriously? This is no true Scotsman or some version of it. I don't get to be an environmentalist because I'm not a vegan? Nevermind the composting, bicycling, lobbying, donations, volunteering, picking up of trash, lack of a car, love of nature. What if I turned this argument around? What if I claimed you can't be an environmentalist if you ever purchase petroleum based products (plastics)? And then I called you delusional for thinking otherwise? How would you feel?
- trymas 7y ago
  > No weightlifters. I've suspected that you'll write this. https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/only-male-us-weightlifter-in-olympics-is-vegan https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/only-male-us-weightlifte... Why do you think that 1kg of free range chicken is more ecofriendly [0] than the factory farmed one? I'd agree free range chicken is better from the ethical stand-point, but from pure efficiency of producing 1kg of chicken from available resources, I'd speculate that free range is not more ecological. We are talking about the fact that people are not fitting on this globe anymore and some sacrifices need to be made. Why are we destroying forests to make land to grow crops to produce meat with 10% efficiency versus if we'd use that land to feed ourselves directly? Growing animals just to slaughter them sounds extremely inefficient, land and resource consuming. 10% efficiency is pretty shitty efficiency when we are low on resources. [0] in terms of CO2 required, in terms of land required to grow same amount of animal meat, in terms of clean water required, etc.

by trymas 7y ago

komali2 7y ago

Swimmers, tennis players, and runners. No weightlifters. Why the attacks? I don't buy pounds of factory farmed beef a week. I'm buying free range chicken and turkey, sustainable fish, free range egg and cheese. This supports the cause. We are on the same side.

andbberger 7y ago
> This supports the cause. We are on the same side. No definitely not you're delusional.
- komali2 7y ago
  Personal attacks? Seriously? This is no true Scotsman or some version of it. I don't get to be an environmentalist because I'm not a vegan? Nevermind the composting, bicycling, lobbying, donations, volunteering, picking up of trash, lack of a car, love of nature. What if I turned this argument around? What if I claimed you can't be an environmentalist if you ever purchase petroleum based products (plastics)? And then I called you delusional for thinking otherwise? How would you feel?
trymas 7y ago
> No weightlifters. I've suspected that you'll write this. https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/only-male-us-weightlifter-in-olympics-is-vegan https://www.riseofthevegan.com/blog/only-male-us-weightlifte... Why do you think that 1kg of free range chicken is more ecofriendly [0] than the factory farmed one? I'd agree free range chicken is better from the ethical stand-point, but from pure efficiency of producing 1kg of chicken from available resources, I'd speculate that free range is not more ecological. We are talking about the fact that people are not fitting on this globe anymore and some sacrifices need to be made. Why are we destroying forests to make land to grow crops to produce meat with 10% efficiency versus if we'd use that land to feed ourselves directly? Growing animals just to slaughter them sounds extremely inefficient, land and resource consuming. 10% efficiency is pretty shitty efficiency when we are low on resources. [0] in terms of CO2 required, in terms of land required to grow same amount of animal meat, in terms of clean water required, etc.