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The rule across all media is to always precede reports of Israeli killing of Palestinians in Gaza with a number of rockets, even if 24 hours before said rockets

The rule across all media is to always precede reports of Israeli killing of Palestinians in Gaza with a number of rockets, even if 24 hours before said rockets Israel has snipered unarmed protestors attempting to practise their Right of Return as guaranteed by UN Resolution 194. Anyone who has an iota of knowledge about what's going on there knows that continuous building of settlements by Israel and the daily harassment the Palestinians have to endure is the root of the problem.[0] I truly wonder if there's anyone who isn't completely ignorant on the issue, who still buys the zionist talking points. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkxJd88xkBU

lilulo 7y ago
You just throw in anti-Israel propaganda regardless to what I've just said. Any comment will do. And this is going beyond accusing the state. You say "zionist talking points", - this is a pure anti-Semitism.
- aptidude187 7y ago
  Where exactly are your arguments tho? Accusing people of being anti-semitic neither makes them anti-semitic nor does it make you automatically right on the issue. The burden of proof is upon the accuser, you. The anti-semitism card really lost its power because you cried wolf falsely too many times, as illustrated here.
  - lilulo 7y ago
    Using "zionist" as a derogatory term makes you a racist in a first place. And, because it shows your hatred towards jewish people, it make you anti-Semitic.
    - aptidude187 7y ago
      That's complete nonsense. Not that I used "zionist as a derogatory term" to being with, but even if I did, that wouldn't make me a racist, because zionism is a nationalistic ideology, you like to conflate with judaism in order to be able to silence any criticism of unjust actions by falsely accusing people of being anti-semitic. There are probably even more evangelical christian zionists than one might expect, does that make me christianophobic as well, or is the victimhood only reserved for people from your group? Either way, I love the jewish people, but I oppose injustice, your 'arguments' are really childish.
    - CommanderData 7y ago
      Opposing a state does not equate to having "hatred" of Jewish people. To no surprise, Israel with its history and conception will warrant criticism and even disgust from anyone. The same goes for any other state that acts similarly. My feeling are not exclusive to Israel, stealing land (to the degree of perfection) and oppressing minorities daily is pretty telling of Israels precieved superiority over others.
      - bradleyhb 7y ago
        “Stealing land” is how, through economic disparity, most modern nations have been born and grown, has it not?
        acct1771 7y ago
        Now you two are moving the goalposts if this meta-thread.
- chachachoney 7y ago
  Do you have any evidence that there were actually rockets fired from the building which housed the attackers? If so, please solidify your point and contribute to the discussion by providing it. Equating criticism of either Israel or Zionism with anti-Semitism does real disservice to the victims of actual anti-Semitism both past and present.
  - yostrovs 7y ago
    Do you really know there is a war in Israel? Did you see it? Do you even consider firing of hundreds of rockets at Jews a war?
    - chachachoney 7y ago
      > Do you really know there is a war in Israel? Did you see it? Do you even consider firing of hundreds of rockets at Jews a war? If this were a turing test, the above message would fail. Is this really how you approach discourse on a forum? Hypertext was invented for the purpose of annotating documents (and now conversations) with links to other sources. Also, falling back on an epistemological crisis in a discussion such as this is a bad faith argument. Good day.
kmlx 7y ago
this is such a long and convoluted conflict... israel withdrew from gaza in 2005, but kept control of access points, air travel etc making gaza a weird place, partly under israel control. hamas (basically a terrorist org) literally took over gaza from fatah (a nationalist party) in a war in 2007. then you’ve got the islamic jihadis, a bonafide terror org, which started taking over from hamas, in the same gaza strip. both hamas and islamic jihadis want the annihilation of the state of israel. i see no end in sight to the bloodshed, no matter how many civilians die. but i do understand why people would side with israel when it comes to gaza, and side with the palestinians when it comes to occupied territories.
- aptidude187 7y ago
  "this is such a long and convoluted conflict" - Not really, this is just a simple case of settler colonialism, anyone who claims that this is a "complex" conflict is either ignorant or deliberately trying to confuse people. Recommended reading from Theodor Herzl (founding father of zionism) to Noam Chomsky (secular jewish intellectual) for those who are truly interested in the facts: The Jewish State (Der Judenstaat), (1896) [https://archive.org/details/ajewishstateana00aviggoog https://archive.org/details/ajewishstateana00aviggoog] On Palestine - Noam Chomsky [https://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Noam-Chomsky/dp/1608464709/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=On+Palestine&qid=1557203766&s=books&sr=1-1 https://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Noam-Chomsky/dp/1608464709/...] The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe (jewish historian) [https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Ethnic+Cleansing+of+Palestine&qid=1557203807&s=gateway&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe...]
  - jsmith99 7y ago
    I would hesitate to include Ilan Pappe in that list - his academic career is somewhat controversial. https://newrepublic.com/article/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dishonest-historian https://newrepublic.com/article/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dish...
  - nir 7y ago
    Usually people who see things as "simple" when most consider them complex are either extremely smart or extremely shallow. Providing Ilan Pappe as a serious source tells where you are in that range.

lilulo 7y ago

You just throw in anti-Israel propaganda regardless to what I've just said. Any comment will do. And this is going beyond accusing the state. You say "zionist talking points", - this is a pure anti-Semitism.

aptidude187 7y ago
Where exactly are your arguments tho? Accusing people of being anti-semitic neither makes them anti-semitic nor does it make you automatically right on the issue. The burden of proof is upon the accuser, you. The anti-semitism card really lost its power because you cried wolf falsely too many times, as illustrated here.
- lilulo 7y ago
  Using "zionist" as a derogatory term makes you a racist in a first place. And, because it shows your hatred towards jewish people, it make you anti-Semitic.
  - aptidude187 7y ago
    That's complete nonsense. Not that I used "zionist as a derogatory term" to being with, but even if I did, that wouldn't make me a racist, because zionism is a nationalistic ideology, you like to conflate with judaism in order to be able to silence any criticism of unjust actions by falsely accusing people of being anti-semitic. There are probably even more evangelical christian zionists than one might expect, does that make me christianophobic as well, or is the victimhood only reserved for people from your group? Either way, I love the jewish people, but I oppose injustice, your 'arguments' are really childish.
  - CommanderData 7y ago
    Opposing a state does not equate to having "hatred" of Jewish people. To no surprise, Israel with its history and conception will warrant criticism and even disgust from anyone. The same goes for any other state that acts similarly. My feeling are not exclusive to Israel, stealing land (to the degree of perfection) and oppressing minorities daily is pretty telling of Israels precieved superiority over others.
    - bradleyhb 7y ago
      “Stealing land” is how, through economic disparity, most modern nations have been born and grown, has it not?
      - acct1771 7y ago
        Now you two are moving the goalposts if this meta-thread.
chachachoney 7y ago
Do you have any evidence that there were actually rockets fired from the building which housed the attackers? If so, please solidify your point and contribute to the discussion by providing it. Equating criticism of either Israel or Zionism with anti-Semitism does real disservice to the victims of actual anti-Semitism both past and present.
- yostrovs 7y ago
  Do you really know there is a war in Israel? Did you see it? Do you even consider firing of hundreds of rockets at Jews a war?
  - chachachoney 7y ago
    > Do you really know there is a war in Israel? Did you see it? Do you even consider firing of hundreds of rockets at Jews a war? If this were a turing test, the above message would fail. Is this really how you approach discourse on a forum? Hypertext was invented for the purpose of annotating documents (and now conversations) with links to other sources. Also, falling back on an epistemological crisis in a discussion such as this is a bad faith argument. Good day.

kmlx 7y ago

this is such a long and convoluted conflict... israel withdrew from gaza in 2005, but kept control of access points, air travel etc making gaza a weird place, partly under israel control. hamas (basically a terrorist org) literally took over gaza from fatah (a nationalist party) in a war in 2007. then you’ve got the islamic jihadis, a bonafide terror org, which started taking over from hamas, in the same gaza strip. both hamas and islamic jihadis want the annihilation of the state of israel. i see no end in sight to the bloodshed, no matter how many civilians die. but i do understand why people would side with israel when it comes to gaza, and side with the palestinians when it comes to occupied territories.

aptidude187 7y ago
"this is such a long and convoluted conflict" - Not really, this is just a simple case of settler colonialism, anyone who claims that this is a "complex" conflict is either ignorant or deliberately trying to confuse people. Recommended reading from Theodor Herzl (founding father of zionism) to Noam Chomsky (secular jewish intellectual) for those who are truly interested in the facts: The Jewish State (Der Judenstaat), (1896) [https://archive.org/details/ajewishstateana00aviggoog https://archive.org/details/ajewishstateana00aviggoog] On Palestine - Noam Chomsky [https://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Noam-Chomsky/dp/1608464709/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=On+Palestine&qid=1557203766&s=books&sr=1-1 https://www.amazon.com/Palestine-Noam-Chomsky/dp/1608464709/...] The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine - Ilan Pappe (jewish historian) [https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe/dp/1851685553/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=The+Ethnic+Cleansing+of+Palestine&qid=1557203807&s=gateway&sr=8-1 https://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Cleansing-Palestine-Ilan-Pappe...]
- jsmith99 7y ago
  I would hesitate to include Ilan Pappe in that list - his academic career is somewhat controversial. https://newrepublic.com/article/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dishonest-historian https://newrepublic.com/article/85344/ilan-pappe-sloppy-dish...
- nir 7y ago
  Usually people who see things as "simple" when most consider them complex are either extremely smart or extremely shallow. Providing Ilan Pappe as a serious source tells where you are in that range.