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Hardly playing catch up here. They've much surpassed anything Apple has done in recent years, in both software AND hardware. Also, I don't recall macOS termi

Hardly playing catch up here. They've much surpassed anything Apple has done in recent years, in both software AND hardware. Also, I don't recall macOS terminal being open source. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal https://github.com/microsoft/terminal

code_duck 7y ago
We’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. I would call being 22 years behind playing catch-up. How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone?
- eitland 7y ago
  > ’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. Agree, one of many reasons why I prefer Linux. > I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. There is cmder, which IMO was not only usable but also pleasant (looked nice, tab completion, history). > How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone? It is a bit unfair to suddenly stop considering Apples laptops just today, again IMO.
  - jolux 7y ago
    They’ve botched the laptops but they’re small potatoes compared to the iPhone business.
    - camillomiller 7y ago
      I am the first critic of the MacBook Pro issues, but saying Apple botched their laptops is a bit rich. Keyboards apart, they’re still impressive machines.
      - opan 7y ago
        What about them do you find impressive? I thought they also had issues with thermal throttling.
  - jonhendry18 7y ago
    "It is a bit unfair to suddenly stop considering Apples laptops just today, again IMO." Ive and Newson are more interested in making useless aesthetic baubles for the Gulfstream V set than utilitarian devices for work. https://www.cnn.com/style/article/jony-ive-diamond-ring-sothebys-scli-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/style/article/jony-ive-diamond-ring-soth... In general I just get the impression that the top executives at Apple treat the Mac as their neglected red-headed stepchild which they'd like to throw down a well at the first opportunity.
vlunkr 7y ago
You may like Microsoft products more, but look at the things they’ve been doing for the past few years. Offering OS upgrades for free, adding multiple desktops, adding a terminal that isn’t a pile of trash, embracing open source, making a chrome-like browser, adding the WSL. It’s all saying “we can do what Mac and Linux do”. Quite literally in the case of the WSL. I’m not complaining about any of these updates btw, I just think bringing in a comparison to Mac about terminals doesn’t make much sense
gigatexal 7y ago
Surpassed in every way huh? How’s that preloaded bejeweled app treating you? Still loving all that telemetry? MacOS + brew + iterm2 and ZSH make it the best developer setup
- jamescostian 7y ago
  As a fellow macOS, brew, iTerm2, and zsh user, I agree that this is an amazing setup. Telemetry sucks ass for sure, but AFAIK it can at least mostly be disabled (albeit with some work, but I think most of that is probably automated today). With WSL, you can still install brew and zsh. iTerm2 is amazing, and I doubt that Windows Terminal supports everything iTerm2 does, but that's not a huge thing. As long as WSL v2 has better filesystem perf, it'll be pretty great.
- crispinb 7y ago
  Well except you're not allowed to run MacOS on a laptop with a real keyboard. (To be quite honest I agree - but Apple doesn't make any hardware of interest to me to run MacOS on).
  - gigatexal 7y ago
    Yeah I will give you that. The apple keyboard that comes with the Macs is a cluster for sure. But... while Apple has done more for the industry in my opinion to force the other manufacturers to move their hardware to a higher build quality profile etc., the OS is still what I find the most compelling -- mostly because I am all in on Apple services (iMessage, iCloud, keychain, etc.) and things often look more appealing on the Mac (yeah I spend most of my time in the terminal but I do like things that look good -- high DPI on linux is almost there just not quite there yet imo). Basically it comes down to productivity and for me it's on a Mac, that keyboard be damned.* I use an external Magic Keyboard 2 without the 10-key as it fits on top of the keyboard of my MacBook as if it should have been the keyboard all this time. But it was an expensive keyboard and not a suggestion I would give many people -- the keyboard should just work.
    - crispinb 7y ago

code_duck 7y ago

We’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. I would call being 22 years behind playing catch-up. How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone?

eitland 7y ago
> ’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. Agree, one of many reasons why I prefer Linux. > I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. There is cmder, which IMO was not only usable but also pleasant (looked nice, tab completion, history). > How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone? It is a bit unfair to suddenly stop considering Apples laptops just today, again IMO.
- jolux 7y ago
  They’ve botched the laptops but they’re small potatoes compared to the iPhone business.
  - camillomiller 7y ago
    I am the first critic of the MacBook Pro issues, but saying Apple botched their laptops is a bit rich. Keyboards apart, they’re still impressive machines.
    - opan 7y ago
      What about them do you find impressive? I thought they also had issues with thermal throttling.
- jonhendry18 7y ago
  "It is a bit unfair to suddenly stop considering Apples laptops just today, again IMO." Ive and Newson are more interested in making useless aesthetic baubles for the Gulfstream V set than utilitarian devices for work. https://www.cnn.com/style/article/jony-ive-diamond-ring-sothebys-scli-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/style/article/jony-ive-diamond-ring-soth... In general I just get the impression that the top executives at Apple treat the Mac as their neglected red-headed stepchild which they'd like to throw down a well at the first opportunity.

vlunkr 7y ago

You may like Microsoft products more, but look at the things they’ve been doing for the past few years. Offering OS upgrades for free, adding multiple desktops, adding a terminal that isn’t a pile of trash, embracing open source, making a chrome-like browser, adding the WSL. It’s all saying “we can do what Mac and Linux do”. Quite literally in the case of the WSL. I’m not complaining about any of these updates btw, I just think bringing in a comparison to Mac about terminals doesn’t make much sense

gigatexal 7y ago

Surpassed in every way huh? How’s that preloaded bejeweled app treating you? Still loving all that telemetry? MacOS + brew + iterm2 and ZSH make it the best developer setup

jamescostian 7y ago
As a fellow macOS, brew, iTerm2, and zsh user, I agree that this is an amazing setup. Telemetry sucks ass for sure, but AFAIK it can at least mostly be disabled (albeit with some work, but I think most of that is probably automated today). With WSL, you can still install brew and zsh. iTerm2 is amazing, and I doubt that Windows Terminal supports everything iTerm2 does, but that's not a huge thing. As long as WSL v2 has better filesystem perf, it'll be pretty great.
crispinb 7y ago
Well except you're not allowed to run MacOS on a laptop with a real keyboard. (To be quite honest I agree - but Apple doesn't make any hardware of interest to me to run MacOS on).
- gigatexal 7y ago
  Yeah I will give you that. The apple keyboard that comes with the Macs is a cluster for sure. But... while Apple has done more for the industry in my opinion to force the other manufacturers to move their hardware to a higher build quality profile etc., the OS is still what I find the most compelling -- mostly because I am all in on Apple services (iMessage, iCloud, keychain, etc.) and things often look more appealing on the Mac (yeah I spend most of my time in the terminal but I do like things that look good -- high DPI on linux is almost there just not quite there yet imo). Basically it comes down to productivity and for me it's on a Mac, that keyboard be damned.* I use an external Magic Keyboard 2 without the 10-key as it fits on top of the keyboard of my MacBook as if it should have been the keyboard all this time. But it was an expensive keyboard and not a suggestion I would give many people -- the keyboard should just work.
  - crispinb 7y ago