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I have to hand it to Microsoft. WSL 2, Windows Terminal, and Edge based on Chromium. Microsoft really is doing some fantastic work for their users. Meanwhile,

I have to hand it to Microsoft. WSL 2, Windows Terminal, and Edge based on Chromium. Microsoft really is doing some fantastic work for their users. Meanwhile, macOS will get new emojis in 10.15.

Austin_Conlon 8y ago
UIKit in macOS 10.15 too, so a bunch more Mac apps will be available to users.
vlunkr 8y ago
macOS already has a great terminal app. Microsoft is just playing catch up on really old features.
- mattigames 8y ago
  The need was already satisfied by ConEmu (with clink) and similar terminal alternatives on Windows for people like me that care enough about these features; this is just Microsoft making it part of the core system for a more integrated experience under their control.
  - sk5t 8y ago
    As a previous user of ConEmu / Cmder I'd like to agree with you, but they are so inferior to a well set-up terminal+shell on Mac or Linux. I mean, without a great shell, what good is the terminal?
    - mattigames 8y ago
      Installing git-bash with the option of adding the linux utilities to the path is more than enough for me (so one gets linux-like grep, find, etc)
- johnnyballgame 8y ago
  Hardly playing catch up here. They've much surpassed anything Apple has done in recent years, in both software AND hardware. Also, I don't recall macOS terminal being open source. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal https://github.com/microsoft/terminal
  - code_duck 8y ago
    We’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. I would call being 22 years behind playing catch-up. How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone?
    - eitland 8y ago
      > ’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. Agree, one of many reasons why I prefer Linux. > I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. There is cmder, which IMO was not only usable but also pleasant (looked nice, tab completion, history). > How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone? It is a bit unfair to suddenly stop considering Apples laptops just today, again IMO.
      - jolux 8y ago
        They’ve botched the laptops but they’re small potatoes compared to the iPhone business.
        camillomiller 8y ago
        I am the first critic of the MacBook Pro issues, but saying Apple botched their laptops is a bit rich. Keyboards apart, they’re still impressive machines.
        opan 8y ago
- amanzi 8y ago
  When I was a Mac user, everyone was using iTerm.
  - Qub3d 8y ago
    My primary work is iOS, I can tell you that at our shop most new people find iTerm and switch over pretty quickly. Personally, I need my OhMyZSH config to make sense of all the git stuff I deal with.
adrianN 8y ago
All I wanted since Snow Leopard is improved stability and updated unix tools. Perhaps window snapping.
- faissaloo 8y ago
  I still miss the 3D dock
- tonyedgecombe 8y ago
  Mojave has been rock solid for me. Early versions of OS/X were dire, I remember being able to consistently crash a machine just by unplugging a USB stick. It would be nice if the unix tools were updated but you need to blame GPL 3 for that rather than Apple.
  - greggyb 8y ago
    > but you need to blame GPL 3 for that rather than Apple Do you? I am not trying to be snide here, but WSL seems to show that you can effectively include GPL3 userland in a proprietary system. WSL provides full interoperability with the native Windows system and NTFS filesystem on Windows 10. The next version will even include the Linux kernel. If Microsoft can ship an experience as part of the OS that includes these applications in userland, why can Apple not?
    - tonyedgecombe 8y ago
      That is an interesting point, I wonder who is wrong in their interpretation of the license.
Supermighty 8y ago
And only if Windows would stop spying on me would I give this more than a passing glance. How can I be expected to trust a computer/OS that I can't fully configure.

I have to hand it to Microsoft. WSL 2, Windows Terminal, and Edge based on Chromium. Microsoft really is doing some fantastic work for their users. Meanwhile, macOS will get new emojis in 10.15.

Austin_Conlon 8y ago

UIKit in macOS 10.15 too, so a bunch more Mac apps will be available to users.

vlunkr 8y ago

macOS already has a great terminal app. Microsoft is just playing catch up on really old features.

mattigames 8y ago
The need was already satisfied by ConEmu (with clink) and similar terminal alternatives on Windows for people like me that care enough about these features; this is just Microsoft making it part of the core system for a more integrated experience under their control.
- sk5t 8y ago
  As a previous user of ConEmu / Cmder I'd like to agree with you, but they are so inferior to a well set-up terminal+shell on Mac or Linux. I mean, without a great shell, what good is the terminal?
  - mattigames 8y ago
    Installing git-bash with the option of adding the linux utilities to the path is more than enough for me (so one gets linux-like grep, find, etc)
johnnyballgame 8y ago
Hardly playing catch up here. They've much surpassed anything Apple has done in recent years, in both software AND hardware. Also, I don't recall macOS terminal being open source. https://github.com/microsoft/terminal https://github.com/microsoft/terminal
- code_duck 8y ago
  We’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. I would call being 22 years behind playing catch-up. How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone?
  - eitland 8y ago
    > ’ve had decent terminals on Linux since something like 1997 at least. Agree, one of many reasons why I prefer Linux. > I’ve never seen a good one on windows. Perhaps this is it. There is cmder, which IMO was not only usable but also pleasant (looked nice, tab completion, history). > How has Microsoft surpassed Apple in hardware when Apple’s main product is a phone and Microsoft doesn’t even make a phone? It is a bit unfair to suddenly stop considering Apples laptops just today, again IMO.
    - jolux 8y ago
      They’ve botched the laptops but they’re small potatoes compared to the iPhone business.
      - camillomiller 8y ago
        I am the first critic of the MacBook Pro issues, but saying Apple botched their laptops is a bit rich. Keyboards apart, they’re still impressive machines.
        opan 8y ago
amanzi 8y ago
When I was a Mac user, everyone was using iTerm.
- Qub3d 8y ago
  My primary work is iOS, I can tell you that at our shop most new people find iTerm and switch over pretty quickly. Personally, I need my OhMyZSH config to make sense of all the git stuff I deal with.

adrianN 8y ago

All I wanted since Snow Leopard is improved stability and updated unix tools. Perhaps window snapping.

faissaloo 8y ago
I still miss the 3D dock
tonyedgecombe 8y ago
Mojave has been rock solid for me. Early versions of OS/X were dire, I remember being able to consistently crash a machine just by unplugging a USB stick. It would be nice if the unix tools were updated but you need to blame GPL 3 for that rather than Apple.
- greggyb 8y ago
  > but you need to blame GPL 3 for that rather than Apple Do you? I am not trying to be snide here, but WSL seems to show that you can effectively include GPL3 userland in a proprietary system. WSL provides full interoperability with the native Windows system and NTFS filesystem on Windows 10. The next version will even include the Linux kernel. If Microsoft can ship an experience as part of the OS that includes these applications in userland, why can Apple not?
  - tonyedgecombe 8y ago
    That is an interesting point, I wonder who is wrong in their interpretation of the license.

Supermighty 8y ago

And only if Windows would stop spying on me would I give this more than a passing glance. How can I be expected to trust a computer/OS that I can't fully configure.