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Apple has no problem with the rate of people updating their phones and laptops, but still respects user choice. It's a simple thing to do, MSFT just chooses no

by novok 8y ago

Apple has no problem with the rate of people updating their phones and laptops, but still respects user choice. It's a simple thing to do, MSFT just chooses not to do it in a paternalistic manner. Not to mention how MSFT doesn't respect user privacy to the same degree as apple does. The iPhone does get annoying about updates, but it always is still up to you when it happens.

stupidcar 8y ago
So your contention is that Microsoft decided to deliberately annoy its customers, and presumably many of its own employees, by forcing updates for no good reason? Sorry, but I don't buy that. If Microsoft did this, I think it was for a reason. It's very easy to sit on HN and opine about how Apple can persuade iPhone users to upgrade. But we're not the ones at Microsoft with the job of dealing with the reality of millions upon millions of desktop computers that simply aren't ever being patched, no matter how hard we prod our users, with the result that they are being exploited en masse, used for criminal purposes, and as a result our reputation is getting trashed and governments and other powerful actors are demanding we do something to fix this problem.
- g6nhe9twPd66 8y ago
  Interesting how you completely avoided responding to the comment regarding Microsoft's abominal disregard for customer privacy these days... "oh, excuse me!! it's TELEMETRY, NOT ANALYTICS hurrrduurrrrr...." You know, I think my computer talks to the internet more than any of my teenage daughters. All on it's own. Now THAT is saying something. Cut that bullshit out. Now.
- asqueella 8y ago
  Microsoft has caused me more damage with their paternalistic attitude than any malicious software ever did. They may have all the reasons in the world, but Windows is objectively worse for me (and I believe other power users) in this regard than other OSes. I'm not sure why you think it's a good idea to defend a company that takes away _your_ control of your computer, and how the other computers having been exploited makes you feel better about losing _your_ work (when you are presumably qualified to avoid and/or detect being exploited on your own). Perhaps you're lucky to not have had trouble with this yet?
zeusk 8y ago
> The iPhone does get annoying about updates, but it always is still up to you when it happens. Hah, say that to my iPhone - every time there is a new update it automatically downloads it (further crippling my already low storage) and keeps asking me for my passcode every few hours. One wrong tap and there goes my phone for the next 10-15 minutes.
- novok 8y ago
  Still a choice
  - dublin 8y ago
    No, on my iPhone, it will insist on downloading the update, and the ONLY way to stop it (as confirmed by the "geniuses" at the Austin Domain Apple Store) is to immediately go into storage management and delete the update. This will only stop it until the next time (usually no more than a week or two) that iOS decides to download it again and ram the update down your throat. I'm getting really tired of doing this, especially since Apple's updates have a solid history of slowing performance, so I really just don't want them, in most cases. (I don't have a newer model iPhone, so most of the fixes, which address newer hardware, are meaningless to me...)
- ThePowerOfFuet 8y ago
  If you picked "not now" and gave it your passcode, it would install the update while the phone is plugged into power and not in use. To be fair, how could you have known that? It only says so when asking for your passcode, after all.
  - zeusk 8y ago
    > phone is plugged into power and not in use A) When it thinks it is not in use, not so easy to predict. > To be fair, how could you have known that? It only says so when asking for your passcode, after all. Yes, but it actually presents the prompt twice, and one wrong tap reboots the device with no way of aborting the process which on a good day takes 10 minutes on my phone.

by novok 8y ago

stupidcar 8y ago

So your contention is that Microsoft decided to deliberately annoy its customers, and presumably many of its own employees, by forcing updates for no good reason? Sorry, but I don't buy that. If Microsoft did this, I think it was for a reason. It's very easy to sit on HN and opine about how Apple can persuade iPhone users to upgrade. But we're not the ones at Microsoft with the job of dealing with the reality of millions upon millions of desktop computers that simply aren't ever being patched, no matter how hard we prod our users, with the result that they are being exploited en masse, used for criminal purposes, and as a result our reputation is getting trashed and governments and other powerful actors are demanding we do something to fix this problem.

g6nhe9twPd66 8y ago
Interesting how you completely avoided responding to the comment regarding Microsoft's abominal disregard for customer privacy these days... "oh, excuse me!! it's TELEMETRY, NOT ANALYTICS hurrrduurrrrr...." You know, I think my computer talks to the internet more than any of my teenage daughters. All on it's own. Now THAT is saying something. Cut that bullshit out. Now.
asqueella 8y ago
Microsoft has caused me more damage with their paternalistic attitude than any malicious software ever did. They may have all the reasons in the world, but Windows is objectively worse for me (and I believe other power users) in this regard than other OSes. I'm not sure why you think it's a good idea to defend a company that takes away _your_ control of your computer, and how the other computers having been exploited makes you feel better about losing _your_ work (when you are presumably qualified to avoid and/or detect being exploited on your own). Perhaps you're lucky to not have had trouble with this yet?

zeusk 8y ago

> The iPhone does get annoying about updates, but it always is still up to you when it happens. Hah, say that to my iPhone - every time there is a new update it automatically downloads it (further crippling my already low storage) and keeps asking me for my passcode every few hours. One wrong tap and there goes my phone for the next 10-15 minutes.

novok 8y ago
Still a choice
- dublin 8y ago
  No, on my iPhone, it will insist on downloading the update, and the ONLY way to stop it (as confirmed by the "geniuses" at the Austin Domain Apple Store) is to immediately go into storage management and delete the update. This will only stop it until the next time (usually no more than a week or two) that iOS decides to download it again and ram the update down your throat. I'm getting really tired of doing this, especially since Apple's updates have a solid history of slowing performance, so I really just don't want them, in most cases. (I don't have a newer model iPhone, so most of the fixes, which address newer hardware, are meaningless to me...)
ThePowerOfFuet 8y ago
If you picked "not now" and gave it your passcode, it would install the update while the phone is plugged into power and not in use. To be fair, how could you have known that? It only says so when asking for your passcode, after all.
- zeusk 8y ago
  > phone is plugged into power and not in use A) When it thinks it is not in use, not so easy to predict. > To be fair, how could you have known that? It only says so when asking for your passcode, after all. Yes, but it actually presents the prompt twice, and one wrong tap reboots the device with no way of aborting the process which on a good day takes 10 minutes on my phone.