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I find it amusing you claim docker on mac was frustrating when it's damn near useless on Windows. File change notifications still don't work right (as of about

I find it amusing you claim docker on mac was frustrating when it's damn near useless on Windows. File change notifications still don't work right (as of about a month ago). Edit: I'd love to use Windows as my daily BTW, it's just not there yet for me. I don't want to have to jump through hoops to make my current workflow, work.

pknopf 8y ago
With the new WSL2, you can run Docker natively!
- tracer4201 8y ago
  How is performance? I used Windows subsystem for Linux a year or so ago. Using a package manager to pull down some dependencies, which should take on the order of tens of seconds took several minutes to complete. It was painfully slow.
  - pknopf 8y ago
    WSL2 now uses VM technology, so the performance is now a lot better.
    - scruple 8y ago
      Wow, that's a welcomed change for me. I was trying every 3-4 months to get WSL working as a suitable development environment. There was always _something_. Excited to try this out again when I have a free day on a weekend.
    - panpanna 8y ago
      WSL performance problems were mostly due to slow I/O. How does virtualization fix that?
      - pknopf 8y ago
        Translating syscalls to the NT kernel is slower than running Linux with a virtual filesystem.
        panpanna 8y ago
        But in the end, the virtual filesystem is backed up by done Windows storage?
        pknopf 8y ago
        Idk, but Microsoft cites these differences for the performance improvement. Maybe things can be speed up/cached when you are one-to-mapping the syscalls to NT kernel.
  - BinaryIdiot 8y ago
    WSL in beta was significantly faster than that. Not sure what was wrong with your install or if it was something else (apt-get has always been crazy fast for me).
- dawnerd 8y ago
  Looking forward to trying it out. I hope this means nodemon, etc will work as expected without having to enable 'legacy mode'
flukus 8y ago
> File change notifications still don't work right WSL doesn't support the inotify api so even basic tools like tail don't work.
- Volundr 8y ago
  Actually, I believe inotify was added back in 2016 (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/wsl-adds-inotify-filesystem-change-notification-support/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/wsl-adds-inotify-...)
  - dawnerd 8y ago
    Not the person you're replying to but I believe docker just hasn't added support. There's been a few issues regarding it open for a long time with no movement at all.
  - flukus 8y ago
    It's still an issue in 2019: https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/3292 https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/3292 In ubuntu you have to pass the --disable-inotify flag and the Debian version (without this flag) simply doesn't work.

pknopf 8y ago

With the new WSL2, you can run Docker natively!

tracer4201 8y ago
How is performance? I used Windows subsystem for Linux a year or so ago. Using a package manager to pull down some dependencies, which should take on the order of tens of seconds took several minutes to complete. It was painfully slow.
- pknopf 8y ago
  WSL2 now uses VM technology, so the performance is now a lot better.
  - scruple 8y ago
    Wow, that's a welcomed change for me. I was trying every 3-4 months to get WSL working as a suitable development environment. There was always _something_. Excited to try this out again when I have a free day on a weekend.
  - panpanna 8y ago
    WSL performance problems were mostly due to slow I/O. How does virtualization fix that?
    - pknopf 8y ago
      Translating syscalls to the NT kernel is slower than running Linux with a virtual filesystem.
      - panpanna 8y ago
        But in the end, the virtual filesystem is backed up by done Windows storage?
        pknopf 8y ago
        Idk, but Microsoft cites these differences for the performance improvement. Maybe things can be speed up/cached when you are one-to-mapping the syscalls to NT kernel.
- BinaryIdiot 8y ago
  WSL in beta was significantly faster than that. Not sure what was wrong with your install or if it was something else (apt-get has always been crazy fast for me).
dawnerd 8y ago
Looking forward to trying it out. I hope this means nodemon, etc will work as expected without having to enable 'legacy mode'

flukus 8y ago

> File change notifications still don't work right WSL doesn't support the inotify api so even basic tools like tail don't work.

Volundr 8y ago
Actually, I believe inotify was added back in 2016 (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/wsl-adds-inotify-filesystem-change-notification-support/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/wsl-adds-inotify-...)
- dawnerd 8y ago
  Not the person you're replying to but I believe docker just hasn't added support. There's been a few issues regarding it open for a long time with no movement at all.
- flukus 8y ago
  It's still an issue in 2019: https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/3292 https://github.com/Microsoft/WSL/issues/3292 In ubuntu you have to pass the --disable-inotify flag and the Debian version (without this flag) simply doesn't work.