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It means the opposite. Today, Linux Docker containers on Windows rely on a VM running on Hyper-V. Tomorrow (by which I mean "in the future," or "June 2019" or

It means the opposite. Today, Linux Docker containers on Windows rely on a VM running on Hyper-V. Tomorrow (by which I mean "in the future," or "June 2019" or whatever the announcement says) Linux Docker containers on Windows will run natively, without the Linux VM crutch. I am assuming that it will use the emulated syscalls the same way that WSL runs today.

temac 8y ago
Not sure about that, except if their phrasing is astonishingly poor, which is of course possible. I mean, in my book "Linux 4.19 kernel shipping in Windows" means a Linux kernel shipping in Windows, and that would need Hyper-V (Linux is trademarked btw, MS can't just pretend that they ship a Linux kernel if they don't). At the same time, I really hope that this is not the case and that it actually means that they are targeting a syscall compatibility with Linux version 4.19; because I'm certainly not gonna give up my third party VMs for some work, so if WSL is rebased on Hyper-V that means bye-bye WSL for me.
- naikrovek 8y ago
  Rewriting WSL to suddenly require a VM would be a HUGE leap backwards and I can't see that being the solution chosen. It doesn't make sense. Adding the appropriate things to WSL to make Docker for Windows no longer require the Moby VM, or to support Linux Docker within the WSL environment without modification, is an approach that makes much more sense to me.
  - mattnewport 8y ago
    It appears that is what they have done though: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-...
    - naikrovek 8y ago
      Show me where in that article it says that a VM is required. Am I interpreting you incorrectly?
      - mattnewport 8y ago
        This article was linked from another article which I guess is where I saw the VM info: > WSL 2 uses the latest and greatest in virtualization technology to run its Linux kernel inside of a lightweight utility virtual machine (VM). However, WSL 2 will NOT be a traditional VM experience. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/announcing-wsl-2/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/announcing-wsl-2/
wmf 8y ago
WSL 2 is a (lightweight magic) VM.

temac 8y ago

Not sure about that, except if their phrasing is astonishingly poor, which is of course possible. I mean, in my book "Linux 4.19 kernel shipping in Windows" means a Linux kernel shipping in Windows, and that would need Hyper-V (Linux is trademarked btw, MS can't just pretend that they ship a Linux kernel if they don't). At the same time, I really hope that this is not the case and that it actually means that they are targeting a syscall compatibility with Linux version 4.19; because I'm certainly not gonna give up my third party VMs for some work, so if WSL is rebased on Hyper-V that means bye-bye WSL for me.

naikrovek 8y ago
Rewriting WSL to suddenly require a VM would be a HUGE leap backwards and I can't see that being the solution chosen. It doesn't make sense. Adding the appropriate things to WSL to make Docker for Windows no longer require the Moby VM, or to support Linux Docker within the WSL environment without modification, is an approach that makes much more sense to me.
- mattnewport 8y ago
  It appears that is what they have done though: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-kernel-with-windows/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/shipping-a-linux-...
  - naikrovek 8y ago
    Show me where in that article it says that a VM is required. Am I interpreting you incorrectly?
    - mattnewport 8y ago
      This article was linked from another article which I guess is where I saw the VM info: > WSL 2 uses the latest and greatest in virtualization technology to run its Linux kernel inside of a lightweight utility virtual machine (VM). However, WSL 2 will NOT be a traditional VM experience. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/announcing-wsl-2/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/announcing-wsl-2/

wmf 8y ago

WSL 2 is a (lightweight magic) VM.