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It's worth noting that the new VS Code Remote Development extensions are not open source, which means that it is impossible for the community to fix bugs, and a

It's worth noting that the new VS Code Remote Development extensions are not open source, which means that it is impossible for the community to fix bugs, and add new platforms/environments/features, or see the code that's running in their environment without reverse engineering. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_why-arent-the-remote-development-extensions-or-their-components-open-source https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_why-arent-the...

Vinnl 7y ago
Thanks for pointing that out. (Also odd formulation of the question: "Why aren't the open soure? - We made the decision to keep them closed source." The actual answer is to the next question: "we may provide premium developer services.")
- xtracto 7y ago
  Specially since there are already open-source alternatives: https://github.com/cdr/code-server https://github.com/cdr/code-server
- pytester 7y ago
  After embracing open source, they appear to now be extending it...
  - WalterGR 7y ago
    After embracing open source, they appear to now be extending it... This is an add-on to Microsoft’s open source editor... Is your concern that Microsoft has embraced VS Code, is now extending it, and has the sinister end goal of exterminating VS Code?
    - hackerfromthefu 7y ago
      What happens is they extinguish the competing alternative open source products, by taking mindshare and users from them. Then once the alternatives are no longer so viable, they use their dominant market share to their advantage and the detriment of users. It's what google has done with Android, Chrome, Gmail.
      - WalterGR 7y ago
        What happens is they extinguish the competing alternative open source products, by taking mindshare and users from them. Oh my. That’s called “competition”. You are mis-construing EEE.
  - sofaofthedamned 7y ago
    That's the exact thing I thought with this. How are they that without a clue as to the world right now when they do stuff like this?
    - pkaye 7y ago
      I'm guessing they concerned about just enabling Amazon cloud. Amazon has a way of taking stuff and not returning much.
  - paulddraper 7y ago
    Wonder what they'll think of next
- meysholdt 7y ago
  https://www.theia-ide.org/ https://www.theia-ide.org/ is vendor-neutral open source governed by an open source foundation (the Eclipe Foundation).
  - niutech 7y ago
    Theia is made by TypeFox and the Eclipse Foundation is developing the Orion IDE: https://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion https://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion
    - meysholdt 7y ago
      It's a bit more complicated, actually: Theia is being developed by TypeFox, Ericsson, RedHat, ARM and more. Orion is being developed by IBM and more. Both Theia and Orion are projects under the umbrella of the Eclipse Foundation: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.theia https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.theia https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.orion https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.orion The Eclipse Foundation (in the very most cases) does not develop software. They also usually do not pay developers. Their role it to arrange that companies and contributors play fair and nice when creating and using open source software.
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neurobashing 7y ago
At Pycon, I spoke with a couple of people at Microsoft who insisted that it would be eventually. They were not, however, on the VS Code team, and speaking unofficially. At the booth, the VS Code people said that the reason it was closed was because it fell into the "services" umbrella, which has a lot of closed-source components. They did not have a comment on if it was going to be opened.
- NullPrefix 7y ago
  >who insisted that it would be eventually Source Open Dumped, not Open Sourced. Open source product is a journey, not only just a destination.
  - w0m 7y ago
    (android)
anton_kosyakov 7y ago
Also a license does not look permissive: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_can-i-repackage-or-reuse-vs-code-server-in-my-own-public-service-offering https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_can-i-repacka... I don't see how someone else can leverage VS Code remote extensions to build something similar to VS Futures.

Vinnl 7y ago

Thanks for pointing that out. (Also odd formulation of the question: "Why aren't the open soure? - We made the decision to keep them closed source." The actual answer is to the next question: "we may provide premium developer services.")

xtracto 7y ago
Specially since there are already open-source alternatives: https://github.com/cdr/code-server https://github.com/cdr/code-server
pytester 7y ago
After embracing open source, they appear to now be extending it...
- WalterGR 7y ago
  After embracing open source, they appear to now be extending it... This is an add-on to Microsoft’s open source editor... Is your concern that Microsoft has embraced VS Code, is now extending it, and has the sinister end goal of exterminating VS Code?
  - hackerfromthefu 7y ago
    What happens is they extinguish the competing alternative open source products, by taking mindshare and users from them. Then once the alternatives are no longer so viable, they use their dominant market share to their advantage and the detriment of users. It's what google has done with Android, Chrome, Gmail.
    - WalterGR 7y ago
      What happens is they extinguish the competing alternative open source products, by taking mindshare and users from them. Oh my. That’s called “competition”. You are mis-construing EEE.
- sofaofthedamned 7y ago
  That's the exact thing I thought with this. How are they that without a clue as to the world right now when they do stuff like this?
  - pkaye 7y ago
    I'm guessing they concerned about just enabling Amazon cloud. Amazon has a way of taking stuff and not returning much.
- paulddraper 7y ago
  Wonder what they'll think of next
meysholdt 7y ago
https://www.theia-ide.org/ https://www.theia-ide.org/ is vendor-neutral open source governed by an open source foundation (the Eclipe Foundation).
- niutech 7y ago
  Theia is made by TypeFox and the Eclipse Foundation is developing the Orion IDE: https://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion https://wiki.eclipse.org/Orion
  - meysholdt 7y ago
    It's a bit more complicated, actually: Theia is being developed by TypeFox, Ericsson, RedHat, ARM and more. Orion is being developed by IBM and more. Both Theia and Orion are projects under the umbrella of the Eclipse Foundation: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.theia https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.theia https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.orion https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.orion The Eclipse Foundation (in the very most cases) does not develop software. They also usually do not pay developers. Their role it to arrange that companies and contributors play fair and nice when creating and using open source software.

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neurobashing 7y ago

At Pycon, I spoke with a couple of people at Microsoft who insisted that it would be eventually. They were not, however, on the VS Code team, and speaking unofficially. At the booth, the VS Code people said that the reason it was closed was because it fell into the "services" umbrella, which has a lot of closed-source components. They did not have a comment on if it was going to be opened.

NullPrefix 7y ago
>who insisted that it would be eventually Source Open Dumped, not Open Sourced. Open source product is a journey, not only just a destination.
- w0m 7y ago
  (android)

anton_kosyakov 7y ago

Also a license does not look permissive: https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_can-i-repackage-or-reuse-vs-code-server-in-my-own-public-service-offering https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/remote/faq#_can-i-repacka... I don't see how someone else can leverage VS Code remote extensions to build something similar to VS Futures.