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Psychedelics can be revelatory, but they can't be revelatory every week. Some people are going to hurt themselves trying to hunt that kick again.

bagacrap 7y ago
Can you explain how they would hurt themselves or give examples of this happening currently?
- bluedino 7y ago
  Not directly hurt from the drug (it's probably not possible except for maybe some massive dose) But people could fall from a lethal height or walk into traffic while they are tripping.
  - beat 7y ago
    I wonder how many people get killed walking into traffic while staring at their smartphones?
  - inversionAspect 7y ago
    This is a shit answer. Hand wavey, clutching at straws and fraught grab-ass excuse making. Emotional disturbances from bad trips are real and serious. You shouldn't trip without a trip sitter. Tripping balls not only means lots more humiliation and blackmail material, but reputation smears, and predatory induced bad trips among people who aren't REALLY being friendly because in truth they're not really friends. So, public nudity freak outs, but also expensive psych ward visits, life altering rude awakenings of extremely negative self worth, and the lengthy bouts of depression that come with such understanding. With depression and reputation costs, we certainly find self harm and worse. Meanwhile, plenty of testimonials of really unpleasant, nightmare bad trips that last up to a day, plus the recovery and recuperation as you take a breather to get a grip. Especially when the dose is old, stale, tainted, spoiled or not the advertised morsel. All of this opens up a can of worms for psychologically fragile people, and you'll see an uptick in persistent hallucination disorders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... These aren't hard drugs. They are heavy drugs. They come with burdens of responsibility. It's not just a hop-on-hop-off rollercoaster ride. It's not an OTC drug. Decriminalization isn't the same as 100% legal. There should still be some solid laws for handling, commerce and responsible use.
kibwen 7y ago
Surely, though the same can be said for drinking, which the fiasco of Prohibition demonstrated isn't going anywhere. The litmus test for our time regarding whether or not a substance ought to be societally tolerated seems to be "is this substance more destructive to society than alcohol?" Heroin surely is, marijuana probably isn't, etc.
XaoDaoCaoCao 7y ago
You can use them weekly without any real side effects. The "relevatory" aspects are played up to give it a supermoral veneer that is a defense against the serpents of prohibition. They can be a Friday or Saturday night of fun for far cheaper than a dinner or a movie. When you have lowered mental inhibitions and expanded visuo-spatial reasoning, it's quite a bit of fun thinking about things.
flycaliguy 7y ago
I always prefer shrooms taken over the course of a month or so. Big trip to start with a friend then a rotation of daily microdosing for a few days at a time. Also moderate trips 3 or 4 more times. Always breaks of a few days (both for tolerance and because I'm a member of society). You really get to know what you've got half way in, get a good feel for the effects and can build of model of how the trip will span. I'm an designer and enjoy painting and writing during a trip. I also love watching cable TV, just flipping around and avoiding the news. Personally, TV is such a perfect compliment if you want to look at things from a new perspective. I know people who only do it in the woods and stuff. That's great, but give me some cartoons and some toy commercials. There are other fun things you can do once you've got a feel for your batch including tossing a bit of booze, weed or coffee into the mix. The few times I've done this (with 3 to 5 year gaps) have been huge wins for my mental health, art and my relationships.

bagacrap 7y ago

Can you explain how they would hurt themselves or give examples of this happening currently?

bluedino 7y ago
Not directly hurt from the drug (it's probably not possible except for maybe some massive dose) But people could fall from a lethal height or walk into traffic while they are tripping.
- beat 7y ago
  I wonder how many people get killed walking into traffic while staring at their smartphones?
- inversionAspect 7y ago
  This is a shit answer. Hand wavey, clutching at straws and fraught grab-ass excuse making. Emotional disturbances from bad trips are real and serious. You shouldn't trip without a trip sitter. Tripping balls not only means lots more humiliation and blackmail material, but reputation smears, and predatory induced bad trips among people who aren't REALLY being friendly because in truth they're not really friends. So, public nudity freak outs, but also expensive psych ward visits, life altering rude awakenings of extremely negative self worth, and the lengthy bouts of depression that come with such understanding. With depression and reputation costs, we certainly find self harm and worse. Meanwhile, plenty of testimonials of really unpleasant, nightmare bad trips that last up to a day, plus the recovery and recuperation as you take a breather to get a grip. Especially when the dose is old, stale, tainted, spoiled or not the advertised morsel. All of this opens up a can of worms for psychologically fragile people, and you'll see an uptick in persistent hallucination disorders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_perception_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucinogen_persisting_percep... These aren't hard drugs. They are heavy drugs. They come with burdens of responsibility. It's not just a hop-on-hop-off rollercoaster ride. It's not an OTC drug. Decriminalization isn't the same as 100% legal. There should still be some solid laws for handling, commerce and responsible use.

kibwen 7y ago

Surely, though the same can be said for drinking, which the fiasco of Prohibition demonstrated isn't going anywhere. The litmus test for our time regarding whether or not a substance ought to be societally tolerated seems to be "is this substance more destructive to society than alcohol?" Heroin surely is, marijuana probably isn't, etc.

XaoDaoCaoCao 7y ago

You can use them weekly without any real side effects. The "relevatory" aspects are played up to give it a supermoral veneer that is a defense against the serpents of prohibition. They can be a Friday or Saturday night of fun for far cheaper than a dinner or a movie. When you have lowered mental inhibitions and expanded visuo-spatial reasoning, it's quite a bit of fun thinking about things.

flycaliguy 7y ago

I always prefer shrooms taken over the course of a month or so. Big trip to start with a friend then a rotation of daily microdosing for a few days at a time. Also moderate trips 3 or 4 more times. Always breaks of a few days (both for tolerance and because I'm a member of society). You really get to know what you've got half way in, get a good feel for the effects and can build of model of how the trip will span. I'm an designer and enjoy painting and writing during a trip. I also love watching cable TV, just flipping around and avoiding the news. Personally, TV is such a perfect compliment if you want to look at things from a new perspective. I know people who only do it in the woods and stuff. That's great, but give me some cartoons and some toy commercials. There are other fun things you can do once you've got a feel for your batch including tossing a bit of booze, weed or coffee into the mix. The few times I've done this (with 3 to 5 year gaps) have been huge wins for my mental health, art and my relationships.