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Public services, as in, run by who exactly? There is no Internet government to run Internet public services.

52-6F-62 8y ago
Not sure. A start might be a standards body offshoot, or a similar organization. Maybe the UN? Maybe an org like IEEE? Seems like an interesting discussion topic.
- TomMarius 8y ago
  How did people became so incapable in social interactions that they need a public service to share code they make together?
  - 52-6F-62 8y ago
    A public service is exactly people interacting. It just prioritizes posterity over profit.
    - TomMarius 8y ago
      No, people interacting is people talking together and then doing things together. Please don't try to act like voting or otherwise going the political route is anything like that. I will believe you once there is no government in the middle. There is absolutely no need for a third party, especially given we're talking about code sharing and not about saving dying people.
      - 52-6F-62 8y ago
        Talk is ephemeral. That’s why we create systems: longevity and posterity. We use them so they might outlive us and our talk. When you put it in terms of “code sharing” it sounds like an act, rather than what I’m targeting—a repository or library.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        It is an act. A repository is a thing that helps you do that act. If you want more people to act like you want them to, you should talk to them. If you have anything worthwhile to say, they will listen. Again, we're not talking about dying people.
        52-6F-62 8y ago
        I think we might be talking about two different things. (You're losing me with the "dying people" remark. Not sure what you're driving at) I'm only suggesting common repository hosting would be a benefit to humanity, so that source code can be persisted beyond the whims of a private company and accessible by all. I'm not suggesting that anybody should be forced to use it.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        > I think we might be talking about two different things. (You're losing me with the "dying people" remark. Not sure what you're driving at) That is an example of a situation which's solution might have to be solved as a public service because it is literally people dying. Code sharing is not as severe as people dying and thus not really necessary to have it as a public service with all of its shortcomings including unnecessary cost to the state budget and irrationality of the whole idea (just why, we have the nonprofits for exactly this kind of things). > I'm only suggesting common repository hosting would be a benefit to humanity, so that source code can be persisted beyond the whims of a private company and accessible by all. Then do it. You have all the means to do so: - You have Facebook, Reddit, HN, ... to gather community - You have the Internet to find incorporation documents for nonprofits - You have Paypal and cryptocurrencies to receive donations - You have IPFS - You have Git - You have Amazon, DO, Azure... Apparently such service has not enough value even for you if you can't spend $10/month to do it, and thus you want to force other people to do it for you. > I'm not suggesting that anybody should be forced to use it. I'd call you a fucking communist and went away if I thought that.
        52-6F-62 8y ago
kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
If only we had a federated communication mechanism and the frictionless ability to run any server we wished from any IP.
- greggyb 8y ago
  Sounds like a great project for someone to work on. You know, those Mastodon folks have built some interesting stuff on top of ActivityPub. Maybe we should build a text-based communication protocol on ActivityPub in addition to more social features. Then we could also give some file-sharing mechanism, wherein a user could send a message with a tightly linked file, like the message and file are attached to one another. Then we could let users run a server to send these sorts of messages over a federated ActivityPub network. Perhaps we could normalize this protocol so much that ISPs would include a basic option of an address and some storage. This would really help to separate us from these mega service companies like Google and Facebook. /s

Not sure. A start might be a standards body offshoot, or a similar organization. Maybe the UN? Maybe an org like IEEE? Seems like an interesting discussion topic.

TomMarius 8y ago
How did people became so incapable in social interactions that they need a public service to share code they make together?
- 52-6F-62 8y ago
  A public service is exactly people interacting. It just prioritizes posterity over profit.
  - TomMarius 8y ago
    No, people interacting is people talking together and then doing things together. Please don't try to act like voting or otherwise going the political route is anything like that. I will believe you once there is no government in the middle. There is absolutely no need for a third party, especially given we're talking about code sharing and not about saving dying people.
    - 52-6F-62 8y ago
      Talk is ephemeral. That’s why we create systems: longevity and posterity. We use them so they might outlive us and our talk. When you put it in terms of “code sharing” it sounds like an act, rather than what I’m targeting—a repository or library.
      - TomMarius 8y ago
        It is an act. A repository is a thing that helps you do that act. If you want more people to act like you want them to, you should talk to them. If you have anything worthwhile to say, they will listen. Again, we're not talking about dying people.
        52-6F-62 8y ago
        I think we might be talking about two different things. (You're losing me with the "dying people" remark. Not sure what you're driving at) I'm only suggesting common repository hosting would be a benefit to humanity, so that source code can be persisted beyond the whims of a private company and accessible by all. I'm not suggesting that anybody should be forced to use it.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        > I think we might be talking about two different things. (You're losing me with the "dying people" remark. Not sure what you're driving at) That is an example of a situation which's solution might have to be solved as a public service because it is literally people dying. Code sharing is not as severe as people dying and thus not really necessary to have it as a public service with all of its shortcomings including unnecessary cost to the state budget and irrationality of the whole idea (just why, we have the nonprofits for exactly this kind of things). > I'm only suggesting common repository hosting would be a benefit to humanity, so that source code can be persisted beyond the whims of a private company and accessible by all. Then do it. You have all the means to do so: - You have Facebook, Reddit, HN, ... to gather community - You have the Internet to find incorporation documents for nonprofits - You have Paypal and cryptocurrencies to receive donations - You have IPFS - You have Git - You have Amazon, DO, Azure... Apparently such service has not enough value even for you if you can't spend $10/month to do it, and thus you want to force other people to do it for you. > I'm not suggesting that anybody should be forced to use it. I'd call you a fucking communist and went away if I thought that.
        52-6F-62 8y ago

kevin_thibedeau 8y ago

If only we had a federated communication mechanism and the frictionless ability to run any server we wished from any IP.

greggyb 8y ago
Sounds like a great project for someone to work on. You know, those Mastodon folks have built some interesting stuff on top of ActivityPub. Maybe we should build a text-based communication protocol on ActivityPub in addition to more social features. Then we could also give some file-sharing mechanism, wherein a user could send a message with a tightly linked file, like the message and file are attached to one another. Then we could let users run a server to send these sorts of messages over a federated ActivityPub network. Perhaps we could normalize this protocol so much that ISPs would include a basic option of an address and some storage. This would really help to separate us from these mega service companies like Google and Facebook. /s