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> For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. That's just disingenuous. Climate change has be

> For the last 30 years governments and politicians have proven incapable to do anything about global heating. That's just disingenuous. Climate change has been a major point for numerous governments, there have been huge pushes towards renewable energy sources through subsidies, legislation, international treaties, etc. Yes, much more could be done, but claiming that nothing has been done is just polemics. It's disingenuous to claim that 2019 is basically 1989.

perfunctory 7y ago
> It's disingenuous to claim that 2019 is basically 1989. Yes, it's much worth. Sorry, the governments might be doing something, but I just look at the PPM and global emissions charts and they just keep going up.
- ckastner 7y ago
  You know what else keeps going up? The world population, from 5.2 billion in 1989 [1] to 7.7 billion today. Yes, the PPM and global emissions charts keep going up. However, they are doing so at a much smaller rate than would be the case if governments would be doing today what they were doing in 1989. Especially in Europe, we have see dramatic pushes towards renewable energy on the one side, and energy efficiency on the other. A headline such as "Germany produces enough renewable energy in six months to power country's households for an entire year" [2] would have been unthinkable 30 years ago, and to claim that this is not a major development is just BS. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/renewable-energy-germany-six-months-year-solar-power-wind-farms-a8427356.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/renewable-energy-g...
jellicle 7y ago
More subsidies today flowing toward the oil industry than in 1989; each year the amount of CO2 we add to the atmosphere is more than the year before. The subsidies for solar panels, etc., although well-publicized and well-criticized in the conservative press, tend to be about 3 to 5 orders of magnitude lower than subsidies for the oil industry, which get no press. 2019 isn't 1989. We'll do vastly more environmental damage this year than we did in 1989.

perfunctory 7y ago

> It's disingenuous to claim that 2019 is basically 1989. Yes, it's much worth. Sorry, the governments might be doing something, but I just look at the PPM and global emissions charts and they just keep going up.

ckastner 7y ago
You know what else keeps going up? The world population, from 5.2 billion in 1989 [1] to 7.7 billion today. Yes, the PPM and global emissions charts keep going up. However, they are doing so at a much smaller rate than would be the case if governments would be doing today what they were doing in 1989. Especially in Europe, we have see dramatic pushes towards renewable energy on the one side, and energy efficiency on the other. A headline such as "Germany produces enough renewable energy in six months to power country's households for an entire year" [2] would have been unthinkable 30 years ago, and to claim that this is not a major development is just BS. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population_estimates [2] https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/renewable-energy-germany-six-months-year-solar-power-wind-farms-a8427356.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/renewable-energy-g...

jellicle 7y ago

More subsidies today flowing toward the oil industry than in 1989; each year the amount of CO2 we add to the atmosphere is more than the year before. The subsidies for solar panels, etc., although well-publicized and well-criticized in the conservative press, tend to be about 3 to 5 orders of magnitude lower than subsidies for the oil industry, which get no press. 2019 isn't 1989. We'll do vastly more environmental damage this year than we did in 1989.