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wikileaks.eff.org is not resolving for me. It seems inconsistent for the EFF to talk about standing up to censorship without them hosting a mirror and encourag

wikileaks.eff.org is not resolving for me. It seems inconsistent for the EFF to talk about standing up to censorship without them hosting a mirror and encouraging others to do so.

aw3c2 16y ago
That's the same void argument some people make when some non-artist is critising their art: "Well, you make it better then!" Criticism does not need to be made by someone participating (I can't think of a better word, hm) to be valid.
- tjr 16y ago
  I think it's an interesting point. If the EFF is claiming that the work of WikiLeaks is good and valid, then would they encourage someone else to mirror the leaked documents? Would they mirror they documents themselves? If not, then why not? I'd be curious to know the reasoning here.
  - gst 16y ago
    Only because something is good and valid does not mean that you automatically need to directly support it. I think that Wikileaks is a good thing, but I can't (won't) run a mirror because right now I'm not going to risk the legal consequences (and because I think that Freenet and Tor are better ways to host such data than HTTP). In addition, running a mirror is not the only way how you can help Wikileaks: Donate money, run Tor nodes (even if they aren't outproxies), etc.
    - tjr 16y ago
      Sure. I wouldn't necessarily expect the EFF to take on the action of mirroring WikiLeaks, but would they view mirroring it as a good action to take, if one were so inclined to directly take action?
  - kgo 16y ago
    From http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors: Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 1289 sites (updated 2010-12-08 19:07 GMT) Does the world really need a 1290th mirror site?
    - nitrogen 16y ago
      From http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors: Should that perhaps read http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html ?
      - shadowpwner 16y ago
        No, the original one works fine.
        nitrogen 16y ago
        Strange. The first time I tried I got a 404, and clicking the Mirrors link from the home page gave me mirrors.html. I wonder if a few of the servers behind wikileaks.ch don't have the /mirrors alias.
    - wvenable 16y ago
      It would be more of a political statement than an image of button. That being said, the EFF already does enough and hosting wikileaks would likely cause more problems than it would solve.
Alex3917 16y ago
That's because the EFF exists to promote free speech, not WikiLeaks. Hosting WikiLeaks would do nothing to further their goals, and in fact would probably significantly undermine their cause.

wikileaks.eff.org is not resolving for me. It seems inconsistent for the EFF to talk about standing up to censorship without them hosting a mirror and encouraging others to do so.

aw3c2 16y ago

That's the same void argument some people make when some non-artist is critising their art: "Well, you make it better then!" Criticism does not need to be made by someone participating (I can't think of a better word, hm) to be valid.

tjr 16y ago
I think it's an interesting point. If the EFF is claiming that the work of WikiLeaks is good and valid, then would they encourage someone else to mirror the leaked documents? Would they mirror they documents themselves? If not, then why not? I'd be curious to know the reasoning here.
- gst 16y ago
  Only because something is good and valid does not mean that you automatically need to directly support it. I think that Wikileaks is a good thing, but I can't (won't) run a mirror because right now I'm not going to risk the legal consequences (and because I think that Freenet and Tor are better ways to host such data than HTTP). In addition, running a mirror is not the only way how you can help Wikileaks: Donate money, run Tor nodes (even if they aren't outproxies), etc.
  - tjr 16y ago
    Sure. I wouldn't necessarily expect the EFF to take on the action of mirroring WikiLeaks, but would they view mirroring it as a good action to take, if one were so inclined to directly take action?
- kgo 16y ago
  From http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors: Wikileaks is currently mirrored on 1289 sites (updated 2010-12-08 19:07 GMT) Does the world really need a 1290th mirror site?
  - nitrogen 16y ago
    From http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors: Should that perhaps read http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html http://wikileaks.ch/mirrors.html ?
    - shadowpwner 16y ago
      No, the original one works fine.
      - nitrogen 16y ago
        Strange. The first time I tried I got a 404, and clicking the Mirrors link from the home page gave me mirrors.html. I wonder if a few of the servers behind wikileaks.ch don't have the /mirrors alias.
  - wvenable 16y ago
    It would be more of a political statement than an image of button. That being said, the EFF already does enough and hosting wikileaks would likely cause more problems than it would solve.

Alex3917 16y ago

That's because the EFF exists to promote free speech, not WikiLeaks. Hosting WikiLeaks would do nothing to further their goals, and in fact would probably significantly undermine their cause.