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IPhone at $200

30 points by ideas101 18y ago

redorb 18y ago
this is a move that might help a little against the android devices coming out...its a late move though as i think att should have been subsidizing the "carrier" locked phone anyway.
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  - mrtron 18y ago
    You don't buy any cable box and hook it up and have it magically work. You don't buy any computer and easily throw any OS on it (drivers, etc). Specifically cell phone companies like to make money on the back end and offer up cheap cell phones to people willing to sign contracts. It is because most people would be willing to sign themselves into a crappy 3 year contract and pay 50$ for a phone rather than pay 500$ for the phone. Blame the consumers not the customer.
- j2d2 18y ago
  Android devices are coming out? Got links?
- wmf 18y ago
  Supposedly AT&T is already kicking back money to Apple every month, but I guess now the iPhone will be double-subsidized.
attack 18y ago
AKA, the world's highest interest loan.
ideas101 18y ago
i think the whole lock thing is weired - cell phone should be available as any other consumer items at walmart, circuit city etc. You just go to these stores, pickup the phone and hook it up with any service provider of your choice, same as what we do with our TV, Internet etc.
- xirium 18y ago
  Locked telephones have set a bad precedent and some broadband ISPs are attempting to do the same thing with routers. In the UK, Sky, part of NewsCorp, supplies a badged NetGear DG834G or suchlike with patched firmware. However, it isn't obvious how to change the settings - or change the account details to make it work with other ADSL ISPs. It doesn't have default NetGear username/password of admin/password and uses admin/sky instead. Thankfully, the GPL2 source is available. However, I'm very concerned that in the future ISPs could offer enhanced or exclusive access through routers which are not trivial lock down or patch and which would be incompatible with other ISPs.
- mdasen 18y ago
  That would be great! Are you willing to pay an extra $150-300 for your cell phone? The problem is that it would cost more. In fact, you can already just buy a phone (unlocked) at many online places. The reason it isn't popular is because it costs significantly more - to the extent that even most geeks go with the cheap, locked stuff. Now, would it make the monthly plans cheaper? Probably, but not by as much as the additional money you'd spend on the phone. Why? Adding a customer, even if they bring their own equipment, costs money. Billing needs to be set up, often it takes time from a rep, new customers have a ton more questions, etc. So, if you'd be willing to pay an extra $50-100 (and convince 60% of other people that's a better way too), then the industry might change. Until then, we're stuck, but we have cheaper prices.
  - elai 18y ago
    If they didn't add so much nickle and diming bullshit, I bet their customer service costs would go waaaayyy down. Most of the cell phone confusion from the large amount of confusing restrictions and nickle and diming.
  - dejb 18y ago
    So I guess this argument would extend to other industries as well. You could buy a cheaper computer that was locked in to a particular ISP or a car that was locked into a particular fuel supply. Or perhaps a TV that only connected to a particular cable supplier. All these year of inefficiently allowing consumers to freely match their products and suppliers! What have we been thinking.
noor420 18y ago
200$ will come with a 3 year contract. Still not a bad deal for people who are stuck with contracts anyways with blackberry or windows mobile.
- attack 18y ago
  Yes, this is probably meant to be a better fit for the spending structures of corporate customers.
josefresco 18y ago
You can get smartphones free now with 2 year deals, the iphone will be free on sites like wirefly/letstalk next year.
pmjordan 18y ago
Well, you'll be paying the ~$1000 "real" price back in overpriced contracts with obscene minimum runtimes. (unlocked versions are available for ~€700-€1000 in Germany, France, so the real price is probably closer to $600-800, as Europe routinely gets screwed over on import prices anyway) I'll stick with my cheap-ish phone that is actually mine, and a nice and flexible pay-as-you-go tariff. The way mobile phone contracts are going these days (in Europe) you're almost guaranteed a bad deal with a contract.
njetx 18y ago
Yeah VentureBeat reported that a couple of days ago. We're taking bets on it: http://www.hubdub.com/m7672/What_Price_Will_The_3G_iPhone_Sell_At http://www.hubdub.com/m7672/What_Price_Will_The_3G_iPhone_Se...
Tichy 18y ago
Come on, it's not that hard: real_price = buying_price+contract_runtime_in_months*monthly_fee
maximilian 18y ago
$200 would probably make a customer out of me. I'm still considering jumping on the Spring SERO bandwagon, because $30/month would save enough money to buy stuff I want. I thought about getting a smartphone with sprint for a subsidized price, but the phones are all totally lame. Nobody but apple figured out how to make a useful "smart" phone. The phone companies have gotten plain-jane phones down pretty well, but they never figured out how to scale up the features. Apple sorta went backwards. They scaled down a computer to make it a cell phone. (its not the best analogy) I think i'll just get a sprint sero simple phone and save up some bucks and get a climbing rope.
lpgauth 18y ago
Well I paid $400 and I don't regret it... I did unlock it as Canada has the worst cellphone market in the world. If the second gen is unlockable then 200$ is a bargain.

30 points by ideas101 18y ago

this is a move that might help a little against the android devices coming out...its a late move though as i think att should have been subsidizing the "carrier" locked phone anyway.

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- mrtron 18y ago
  You don't buy any cable box and hook it up and have it magically work. You don't buy any computer and easily throw any OS on it (drivers, etc). Specifically cell phone companies like to make money on the back end and offer up cheap cell phones to people willing to sign contracts. It is because most people would be willing to sign themselves into a crappy 3 year contract and pay 50$ for a phone rather than pay 500$ for the phone. Blame the consumers not the customer.
j2d2 18y ago
Android devices are coming out? Got links?
wmf 18y ago
Supposedly AT&T is already kicking back money to Apple every month, but I guess now the iPhone will be double-subsidized.

attack 18y ago

AKA, the world's highest interest loan.

ideas101 18y ago

i think the whole lock thing is weired - cell phone should be available as any other consumer items at walmart, circuit city etc. You just go to these stores, pickup the phone and hook it up with any service provider of your choice, same as what we do with our TV, Internet etc.

xirium 18y ago
Locked telephones have set a bad precedent and some broadband ISPs are attempting to do the same thing with routers. In the UK, Sky, part of NewsCorp, supplies a badged NetGear DG834G or suchlike with patched firmware. However, it isn't obvious how to change the settings - or change the account details to make it work with other ADSL ISPs. It doesn't have default NetGear username/password of admin/password and uses admin/sky instead. Thankfully, the GPL2 source is available. However, I'm very concerned that in the future ISPs could offer enhanced or exclusive access through routers which are not trivial lock down or patch and which would be incompatible with other ISPs.
mdasen 18y ago
That would be great! Are you willing to pay an extra $150-300 for your cell phone? The problem is that it would cost more. In fact, you can already just buy a phone (unlocked) at many online places. The reason it isn't popular is because it costs significantly more - to the extent that even most geeks go with the cheap, locked stuff. Now, would it make the monthly plans cheaper? Probably, but not by as much as the additional money you'd spend on the phone. Why? Adding a customer, even if they bring their own equipment, costs money. Billing needs to be set up, often it takes time from a rep, new customers have a ton more questions, etc. So, if you'd be willing to pay an extra $50-100 (and convince 60% of other people that's a better way too), then the industry might change. Until then, we're stuck, but we have cheaper prices.
- elai 18y ago
  If they didn't add so much nickle and diming bullshit, I bet their customer service costs would go waaaayyy down. Most of the cell phone confusion from the large amount of confusing restrictions and nickle and diming.
- dejb 18y ago
  So I guess this argument would extend to other industries as well. You could buy a cheaper computer that was locked in to a particular ISP or a car that was locked into a particular fuel supply. Or perhaps a TV that only connected to a particular cable supplier. All these year of inefficiently allowing consumers to freely match their products and suppliers! What have we been thinking.

noor420 18y ago

200$ will come with a 3 year contract. Still not a bad deal for people who are stuck with contracts anyways with blackberry or windows mobile.

attack 18y ago
Yes, this is probably meant to be a better fit for the spending structures of corporate customers.

josefresco 18y ago

You can get smartphones free now with 2 year deals, the iphone will be free on sites like wirefly/letstalk next year.

pmjordan 18y ago

Well, you'll be paying the ~$1000 "real" price back in overpriced contracts with obscene minimum runtimes. (unlocked versions are available for ~€700-€1000 in Germany, France, so the real price is probably closer to $600-800, as Europe routinely gets screwed over on import prices anyway) I'll stick with my cheap-ish phone that is actually mine, and a nice and flexible pay-as-you-go tariff. The way mobile phone contracts are going these days (in Europe) you're almost guaranteed a bad deal with a contract.

njetx 18y ago

Yeah VentureBeat reported that a couple of days ago. We're taking bets on it: http://www.hubdub.com/m7672/What_Price_Will_The_3G_iPhone_Sell_At http://www.hubdub.com/m7672/What_Price_Will_The_3G_iPhone_Se...

Tichy 18y ago

Come on, it's not that hard: real_price = buying_price+contract_runtime_in_months*monthly_fee

maximilian 18y ago

$200 would probably make a customer out of me. I'm still considering jumping on the Spring SERO bandwagon, because $30/month would save enough money to buy stuff I want. I thought about getting a smartphone with sprint for a subsidized price, but the phones are all totally lame. Nobody but apple figured out how to make a useful "smart" phone. The phone companies have gotten plain-jane phones down pretty well, but they never figured out how to scale up the features. Apple sorta went backwards. They scaled down a computer to make it a cell phone. (its not the best analogy) I think i'll just get a sprint sero simple phone and save up some bucks and get a climbing rope.

lpgauth 18y ago

Well I paid $400 and I don't regret it... I did unlock it as Canada has the worst cellphone market in the world. If the second gen is unlockable then 200$ is a bargain.